1.There's nothing more frightening than politics, and that includes, disturbingly enough, the politics of a long-cancelled Marvel Comics book that was apparently concerned with little more than the never-ending punch-ups between very little Japanese toys.
2.The politics of the first issue of "The Micronauts" are as fascinating as they are strange. On the one hand, it's a story of how a society is utterly corrupted by the promise of eternal life. On the other, "The Micronauts" is a tale of how only hereditary monarchies, whether micro-human or micro-alien, can, if allowed to proceed according to custom, ensure that civil society is ethically governed.
Of course, it's also a comic full of super-heroes and science-fiction spaceships, but we're only going to be concerned with the fundamentally scary stuff here.
3.Normally, the reader might expect that a tale which seems to so obviously satirise capitalism, and the corrupting effect of the market upon the human propensity for greed, would present some kind of democratic opposition to the evil powers corrupting the people with the temptation of endless youth. But Bill Mantlo positioned the royal family of Homeworld as the only legitimate protectors of the people's freedom in "The Micronauts", a confusing matter, since hereditary, ruling monarchies aren't historically known for standing up for the freedom of the people. But, perhaps Baron Karza was refusing to cut the aristocracy in on the profits of his immoral and highly popular invention of eternal life, and, perhaps, that caused the King and his family to fly the flag of "abstract choices (such) as ... freedom" in the absence of popular support and firepower.
Or, perhaps, Prince Argon of Homeworld really is that rarest of creatures, the blue-blooded man of the people, though obviously not so much of the people that he's ever actually permitted a democracy to arise on what's obviously his planet.

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"Homeworld" opens with the Royal Family and their few "Elitist" supporters being hunted down "by an entire world that has turned upon their hereditary rulers". After all, it is at times hard to imagine that the people, and just about any people too, wouldn't sign up to a regime which promised eternal life and good health, regardless of how noble their "hereditary rulers" might have been. "Burn the elitist swine!" screams a soldier in a crowd of rebel troops closing in the Prince, mirroring, no doubt, the thoughts of those millions who, though not taking up arms themselves, want Baron Karza securely in power so they can join the ranks of the never-dying.
5.If the positioning of Homeworld's Royal Family as the only decent strata in micro-society is somewhat counter-intuitive, historically unlikely and disturbingly politically incorrect, it does lend "The Micronauts" a rather different spin where the polemics of the standard modern-era science-fiction fantasy are concerned. It's a strangeness which prevents the book from being just another left-of-centre rant against the market and the pernicious selfishness of various social elites, because in truth "The Micronauts" isn't typically left-of-centre and caringly inclusive at all. For instead of a suffering people alienated from a despotic ruling class, as we typically see in such stories, Mr Mantlo presents a Homeworld where the masses are utterly unreliable and self-interested, where scientists and academics - such as Karza - are dedicated to turning the established and virtuous order upside down, and where mortality and democracy are a far less popular option for the people than despotism and immortal life.
It's the oddness of these politics, combined with their strange feasibility where the appeal of an individual forever is concerned, that helps the first incarnation of the Micronauts breathe as it still does. Regardless of the plot's progress through familiar territory, half Star Wars, half Fourth World, there's always that disconcerting sense that the world we're seeing is essentially strange and disturbing even though it looks quite standard-issue for a comic book. That in itself creates an unease in the narrative, a suspense that makes the state created by Karza seem both stereotypically evil and yet quite disturbingly different too.

After all, this is world where the people, or a substantial mass of them, have not only opted to sign away their freedom in return for eternal life, which is at times a quite sadly believable proposition, and fundamentally scary in itself, but where a great deal of the raw material for the immortal strata of society will come from the bodies of their fellows who either resist the system, or are consumed by it regardless of their opinions one way or another. The people of Homeworld, in Mr Mantlo's script, are untrustworthy and faithless, they're easily seduced and led astray, and they need strong leaders to save them, and their royal betters, from absolute disaster.
In fact, the people of Homeworld aren't the victims of tyranny at all, as the mass of folks living under the rule of tyrants in such tales so often are. They've not been twisted and crushed and suppressed despite their longing for freedom by the brutality of a super-scientific state. Instead, the people here are Baron Karza's willing executioners. They're the underclass, they're the lumpen proletariat, they're the worst fears of those who believe that democracy, or indeed political freedom of any substantial kind, is a very bad idea because the people will just ruin everything, and they'll take the better kind who deserve to rule down to hell with them. Those commoners, they'll just breed and break the law and destroy the naturally virtuous order and then they'll be demanding to live forever too.
And so, Mr Mantlo's contempt for "the people" in "Homeworld" is as uncommon and challenging as his portrayal of "the people's" weakness in the face of the prospect of immortality is at times worryingly convincing.
6.There's a telling, though apparently quite accidental, moment in "Homeworld" where Prince Argon charges the proles bent on his destruction while shouting "For freedom!". The irony of this on the lips of a "hereditary ruler" isn't one that's deliberately placed into the text, but it is amusing that Argon's inappropriate battle cry is followed up by one of his retainers declaring in response "For you -- my Prince --", before being blown up by what seems to be the dread Baron Karza himself.
I think that's great. Argon's convinced himself that he's fighting for "freedom", but even his men know that they're really taking up arms for the "Prince", and taking up arms for the "Prince" gets those ordinary folk killed stone dead every time, although Argon himself, of course, is only stunned, and survives to rule again.

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While Karza may in appearance look like a fusion of Dr Doom and Darth Vader, he's actually a mixture of Doctor Frankenstein and Dracula and whoever you'd choose, if choose you would, between the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. He's a scientifically brilliant vampire who's extended his own life and power through stealing the futures of others, while he's used his demagoguery to convince the broad mass of the people to sign up willingly, indeed enthusiastically, to vampirism too.
And so, when Karza declares that Commander Rann is to be taken to the body banks, it's as if the worst fears so effectively encoded in Marx, Shelley and Stoker have been fused together. This is the totalitarian dictator who promises not racial purity, but personal immortality for the privilaged members of the race as he defines it, and who controls a command economy based on the appropriation of the actual bodies of the less favoured members of society which might just keep him in power forever. Well, of course so many of the people have signed up to his cause, Mr Mantlo seems to be saying. Who'd expect anything else? And for the few who'd resist, well, they're faced with being shipped to the body banks and serving as spare parts for the next round of renewed life for the privileged and compliant men and women of Karza's immortal new order.

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Baron Karza scares me, scares me not because of his horses hooves and his silly chest insignia, but because he represents a particularly worrying suspicion about the nature of the people, if not their aristocratic and supposed-betters; with a product as seductive as living forever, Mr Mantlo is telling us, a tyrant might stay in power forever, and most of the mass of the people would be extremely happy to see him there too, as long as it isn't their hearts and kidneys and so on that were keeping the wheels of the immortal economy turning.
And Karza scares me because he chooses to build his new regime on the bodies of his opponents, imagined and real. A scientist that insanely brilliant could no doubt, in the best comic-book tradition, have devised cloning facilities to create an immortal life for his millions if not billions of supporters. But he doesn't, and the very act of speculating why that should be is a disturbing business in itself. Karza, quite frankly, is the type of vampire who wants to terrify, dismember and drain dry his victims rather than rely on even the most tasty and satisfying plasma. For it's not just the power he wants, it's the experience of taking it from others that he's made helpless and stripped of all hope first.
I'd support Prince Argon myself against such a beast.
9.By distancing itself so strangely and yet so slightly from the politics of both the real and the typically imagined worlds, "The Micronauts" carries enough of a sense of difference in its pages to scare the reader a little more than it should considering the relative conceptual poverty of the source material. And for that reason, the rebellion on Homeworld feels far more disturbing than it should. It seems to embody the fears of the right and the new right that the unworthy poor will strip the deserving affluent of their just rewards, and the fears of the left that the masses will be corrupted into following the trifles of the market rather than their own supposed best collective interests, and the fears of the centre that morality and reasonableness will be swept away by selfishness and irrationality. And it carries the shadow of regimes which literally wiped out the broad mass of their perceived enemies for no better reason than the vile chimera that everything would be marvellous once the tiresome industrial process of the slaughter of the dangerously unworthy was completed.
And so, while I can't bring myself to believe that Prince Argon's hereditary monarchy could be so virtuous and wise, royalty being as vulnerable to Baron Acton's dictum as the rest of we poor mortals are, I certainly can believe in a population which signs away its fundamental values, their very freedom, for forever. Or, at least I can if it's a population that's been raised in Prince Argon's splendid realm and encouraged to do what they're told and to not think for themselves where the business of governing is concerned. Hereditary rulers, after all, need their people to be stupid and compliant, and that's hardly going to promote the kind of free-spirited thinking that might encourage citizens to ask pressing questions of a bloke with horses hooves, a big black mask and promises of personal immortality.
And if there were such a people living on a science-fiction world, who'd never been allowed the chance to govern themselves, to think for themselves, then I can almost, almost, believe in Baron Karza too.

Next, indeed, tomorrow: the always interesting Paul Cornell & his short story "Secret Identity", a tale of superheroes and sexual identity set in Manchester that's well worth discussing, and one which is to be found in the print anthology "Masked". Yes, it's time to take a semi-regular look at super-heroes in books, real books, I think, and I've got an awful feeling that I'll not be able to avoid calling the pieces "But They Left The Pictures Out!". Mea Culpa!
The politics of "The Micronauts" became more confused, and even at times - shockingly! - clearly democratic, as time passed, but I jumped ship soon into the title's second year. I seem to recall that Prince Argon was later revealed to be a considerable super-villain himself, but the above piece was based on a single comic, and indeed a single panel within it, which has always disturbed me since I read it more than 30 years ago. --- I hope your day is splendidly as free as possible of immortal lures, ruling classes , faithless mobs and centaur super-scientist villains as well, and since you got this far, thank you very much for reading!
(And, of course, anyone with any somewhat-scary moments from their own comic-book reading history is strongly encouraged to add them to the comments. I thoroughly enjoyed the contributions last time round in "These Things Scare Me " number 1.)
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I suppose you could view the noble prince as the only force of good in a corrupt world as a plausible conceit if he's been raised under the strict tenets of some sort of chivalric code. Chivalry in the real world wasn't much of a breeding ground for equality given that its basic requirements were that knights be of noble birth already, be they English lords or feudal samurai, but it's not much of a stretch that immersion in the concepts of justice might birth a mutant belief in democracy or equality.
ReplyDeleteDan Jurgens covered this kind of ground at the tail-end of his truncated Thor run, when a storyline saw the Thor of the future as a world conqueror who'd personally killed most of the world's superheroes, yet had sired a son who rebelled against his father's benign tyranny by seeing the tiny flaws in the benevolent regime even though the bigger picture was quite rosy and the civilian population a lot safer than they used to be (an odd subtext being that as soon as someone killed all the superheroes of the Marvel universe, the civilian population was a lot safer even under a totalitarian, technologically-regressive government).
As to scary: the Morlocks as drawn by (I think) June Brigman always crapped me up good and proper. In the X-books where they were birthed, they were just another antagonistic tribe of X-opponants, but over in Power Pack they were portrayed as shambling and pitiable monsters living in drains and sewers, picking through garbage for food and liable to pull children down into the underworld on a whim like a veritable tribe of Pennywises. It's amusing to compare this 25 year-old portrayal of homelessness in a superhero universe to the later Runaways and their never-ending supply of frilly goth dresses and Wii gaming sessions in palatial Malibu beachfront mansions - though to be fair, homelessness in the 21st century has probably moved on a bit since the 1980s.
There was also a PP crossover with the Mutant Massacre where one character whose whole deal was that her missing children made her a bit daffy, and whose final moments show her sneering killer remarking how he'd murdered her children for amusement, yet is unaware of the connection between those kids and the woman he's murdering, so the comment is little more than a final twist of the knife for the dying woman, and then the bad guy moves on to flamethrower-killing other Morlocks rather than get his just desserts - this scene at the time was contrary to everything I was taught about the concept of natural justice in these funnybook superhero worlds and it was both mind-blowing and horrifying, all the more so because it was never touched upon again as the story only continued in the X-books that I wasn't reading.
Obviously I didn't read it at the time (1978), but in ROM, the Marvel universe were unaware his space-gun sent alien dopplegangers to another realm, and so it looked like he was an alien serial murderer who went around killing people at random - a mitten-wearing, square-headed glowy-eyed murder rampage that even superheroes couldn't stop. This isn't even subtext, either, as characters just flat-out say this is ROM's whole deal - and this was a kids' comic?
Over in 2000ad, there was an unloved Judge Dredd spin-off called Hell Trek about a wagon train through a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and it wasn't the mutant gangs or the tension between characters that got me, or the seemingly friendly townsfolk who turned out to be cannibals, but one scene in particular where a character got caught out in 'acid rain' and simply melts, their flesh dripping off their screaming skeleton. Saw it years later in reprint form and it didn't seem as gory as I remembered, but to a young and impressionable me the concept of the rain melting you away to nothing was pretty damn freaky.
"the positioning of Homeworld's Royal Family as the only decent strata in micro-society is somewhat counter-intuitive, historically unlikely and disturbingly politically incorrect"
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily - in fact you touch on the real world analogies in passing.
What we see is akin to the Terror that followed the French Revolution, Stalin's purges, Pol Pot's Year Zero and Mao's Great Leap Forward (and then the Cultural Revolution), it is what Orwell warns against in Animal Farm. In Micronauts we have a scientific elite leading the revolution but they couldn't succeed without the enthusiastic support of the people.
Of course, there can be a backlash to this, as we see in Russia and France when people start looking back on the years under royal rule as some kind of Golden Age.
Both side are clearly mistaken but it shows the human propensity to follow demagogues and be fooled by their tawdry geegaws. I suspect we'll only really grow up as a civilisation when we renounce the "devil" and all his works and pomps, in whatever guise The Tempter takes (I've always enjoyed the "pomps" formulation as it seems to sum up the shallow flashiness that often distracts people, he says having stood outside in the cold on Saturday rather than sit through 2 and a half hours rather than sit in the warm and watch 2 and a half hours of the X-Factor - this cough and a cold is a price worth paying).
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I had a Baron Karza toy with the horse body (and the Force Commander one)* but it was really that comic book representation that sticks in my mind, especially that weird centaur form. I assume it was dictated by the toys but the idea that the human bauplan is so mutable is itself an unsettling thought, one that underpins body horror and biopunk.
* Although looking it up online I realise that a) I had an awful lot of those Micronauts toys as a nipper but have no idea where they came from (might have been a box of them at a jumble sale?) b) I have a horrible suspicion they might have been the later cheaper versions (although I'd need to find a Karza head or Force Commader fist knocking about to find out the truth, and there is probably some still in the bottom of a box somewhere - there were so many bits you'd have better luck eradicating bed bugs from New York than you would completely ridding yourself of Micronauts).
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As I've said before, I think the license is available for the Micronauts comics and surely it'd be worth Marvel picking it up, if only to produce a reprint of Micronauts, which was odd and enjoyable (with some damn fine art). However, the Marvel-owned characters and the Microverse are still in play in Marvel Cosmic, so the door is open to a new series, just give it to DnA to play with please!!
Sorry, but if I keep this up perhaps Marvel might listen ;)
I check Wikipedia and discover Argon turned into a villain, but then it turned out he'd been possessed by Karza's ghost all along (the second time he'd come back: he's a true supervillain!).
ReplyDeleteAlso via it, I found a pitch for a late-90s Micronauts revival that failed for licensing reasons at the last minute: http://www.innerspaceonline.com/scb3.htm
- Charles RB
Hello Brigonos:- that’s an interesting alt reality about Thor. I shall see immediately if it’s on Marvel Digital. As always when I read your descriptions of events in books I'm unfamiliar with, I immediately want to find money and time I don't have to consume them. I mean, I still haven't got those dread Losers books yet ....
ReplyDeleteReading the Runaways was something which you recommended to me, and I never regretted the advice. But a Runaways/ Morlocks showdown would be worth good coin of the realm, I reckon, just to be able to see the compare & contrast exercise being played out.
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Each of those three examples of disturbing images sounds pretty upsetting now as you describe them now. And it's noticable how each of them are rooted in a belief, by reader or character, that it's a fair universe on the comic book page and that bad things only happen to bad people. I've been wondering recently how 2000 ad might get back a touch of the transgressive thrill it used to have and perhaps that's what’s needed; a touch more of the sheer unfairness of life, the capriousness of unearned ill-fortune.
I hope you're well, Mr B. My best to you.
Hello Emperor:- I respect your opinions on the position of Argon, but the text of that first issue is very clear; he's a hereditary monarch, and the latest in a long line. Now the only way "his" people could possess "freedom" is if his, and his ancestors's, rule was so perfect that their subjects were better off ruled by this royal family than by themselves and they then constantly made an informed judgement to live so. But that makes no sense at all. Even history's arguably few good monarchs produced few good descendants on the kingly front; I think Alfred's the winner, with two supposedly competent family successors. And so, my feeling is that Argon is a self-deluded tyrant, and his people have been kept in the kind of ignorance which leaves them prey to the likes of Karza and his big, dubious promises.
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I'm a passionate believer that I ought to have had those Micronauts toys instead of you. I have a battered old Time Traveller on a shelf somewhere and that's it. I'd love a whacking great Acroyear or Biotron, I certainly would. Ah, the toys we never had and second childhoods ...
Of course, I'm with you on Marvel, the Micronauts and a DNA series. I shall sign the petition when ever I see it in my in-box, and possibly several times too.
Hello Charles:- that's an ambitious proposal, isn't it? I'd never heard of Shon C Bury before, but I admire his ambition, just as I wonder how editors keep their sanity when faced with what I presume is a consistent stream of such detailed, passionately produced submissions. Regardless of quality, and I don't know enough of SCB's work to speak for his proposal, it must be a hard and wearing business sorting good from ill. Tough on creators, too ...
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you say - I suppose my point is that in a secular, technocratic dictatorship people might not just be nostalgic for the royal dictatorship but they might become the kernel of the counter-revolution - its not that they are the only "decent strata" but they might be the only decent alternative. The common man never seems to be relieved of their burden, so it is only the illusion of change (same shit different arsehole), but sometimes just doing something is what can make life bearable. Its only when people realise they are swapping a despot for a tyrant and back again, that they can start actually making a change that works for them.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post, as always.
ReplyDeleteI adored the Mantlo-Golden series. The toys arrived in my neighborhood the summer prior and I picked the first issue off the spinner rack at the local liquor store. It was contemporary with Claremont-Byrne X-Men and both played an equal role in seducing me away from sole attachment to DC Comics.
Your thoughts about the politics of the series touches on what was memorable about it. MICRONAUTS was upsetting. Our hero was a Buck Rogers pastiche and our villain was at least two parts Darth Vader. Prince Aragorn came straight out of central casting, as did his sister.
And yet, there were stakes. It was a civil war being fought between royalists and fascists, which forced my boyish self to think. In thinking, I cared more than I would have had one side been struggling for a truly liberal order.
Hello Emperor;- yep, I raise my hat to you; good point, well made. And yet I must admit I'm scratching my head to think of a previously-dominant ruling class who "the people" welcomed back after, for example, a fascist/communist interlude. You'd expect absolutely rightly that that mighyt be so, and yet none of the previous regimes with their kings and so on were returned to power after the Axis and then the Berlin Wall fell. I have a DEEP feeling that what you're saying is pointing towards a whole mass of things I've been stupid and too literal-minded to grasp, but as far as I can recall, when the "people" dream of alternatives in the technological era to tyranny, they rarely look to another model of tyrants for a way out. I wonder if I'm right in saying that, and I wonder why that might be if it's so. Must --- think --- much --- harder.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Mr E.
Hello Dean: - thanks for your kind words. I was nervous about writing about politics and the Micronauts, and it's been really heartening to note that the strangeness in the politics of the book had long since been picked up by others and recognised as important to its appeal. I hope others don't mind me being late to this party, and I'm glad the party was there for me to stumble into.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes! You're so right. That first run of Micronauts was disturbing. It really was. The Man-Thing fitted right in there and you'd think he'd be quite out of place. And again, yes, you're right, the absence of a liberal option to support left the individual reader with some tough emotional choices, conscious or not, when associting with the heroes and oppossing the villains.
Ah. If only I'd've been juggling with enjoying with these comics in this way when I was alot younger, I suspect I might have made a writer who alot more ideas and options in his skill-set. Where is the text-book that said "When trying to create a sense of unease in a fantasy, don't provide the audience with a heroic force that lacks dubious political beliefs?" If only to get my mind thinking, that would've been good for me.
Colin, I am full of cold so examples don't readily spring to mind but we could look at for example Cromwell and the Restoration. We might also look to the unlikely rebel figure of Guy Fawkes (people are currently wearing "Guy Fawkes where are you now we need you?" T shirts about the Tory cuts or wearing V for Vendatta-style Fawkes masks to protest against Scientology, when Fawkes was really trying to overthrown the protestants to allow back in a Catholic theocracy) or perhaps Yukio Mishima (who wanted the return of the Emperor to power - in fact Japanese history often sees the tug-of-war between the Emperor and the Shogun), who has gone on to become a hero/martyr for right-wing groups who would want a return to the pre-1947 systems despite all the advances and liberties everyone has enjoyed since then (and this in a democratic society, as opposed to some kind of dictatorship).
ReplyDeleteIn more modern history the secular, republican dictatorships tend to be ruthless in their destruction of their opponents, so any resistance is stillborn and a longing for a return to the monarchy is kept very private, but once there is a chink in the armour it comes bubbling up. Once the Soviet Union split up there have been calls for the restoration of the monarchy in Russia (as a solution to their problems, would you believe!!?), a move supported by 20% of Russians.
In France you had the Bourbon Restoration, with Napoleon's Hundred Days (where he declared himself Emperor) in the middle of it (part of Napoleon's rise to power was because of the importance of the army in putting down royalist rebels, as well as the Jacobins, a group which contained members of the nobility), which ended with the July Revolution when the Bourbon king was deposed in favour of his cousin (who was a member of the Jacobins). France only really stabilised and start to prosper when they realised there was an option c) No of the above.
So what you end up with is the opposition to a more secular republic nucleating around the royalty (usually claiming their position are God-given), although this tends to be led by those who have lost the most (the rich landowners) it tends to be the ordinary person who forms the bulk of the movement, without them gaining any major benefits from the changes they are campaigning for (best not dwell on the Tea Party parallels at the moment though ;) ).
I will also not comment on the way False Emperors keep popping up to muddy the waters (the sooner people realise there is only one Emperor who can fix all their problems the better ;) ).
"I must admit I'm scratching my head to think of a previously-dominant ruling class who "the people" welcomed back after, for example, a fascist/communist interlude"
ReplyDeleteSeveral of the Western European nations after the Second World War: the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, and Greece. In the case of the first two, the reigning monarch was the foundation of the government-in-exile and the Free [Country] forces, and symbols of resistance*; in Denmark, the monarchy remained in the country and the King was seen as a symbol of defiance against the occupation.
Belgium was a mess; the Belgian government seemed to think the monarchy was needed post-war, but not the King himself (who'd become "controversial") so he was replaced. The Greek monarchy came back after WW2 but not after the 60s/70s military junta: there were staunch royalists in Greece, but most weren't and the a number of people thought the King had done a bad job of handling the junta.
In the case of Soviet-occupied nations, far as I know they were just occupied for so long that most people had no memory of the monarchy, and the domestic resistances had been focusing more on democracy as the rallying cry. (Bulgaria and Romania were quite interested when the former Kings came back, but AFAIK more for the novelty than serious beliefs)
The Cambodian monarchy came back after decades in exile in 1993, but the King had US backing and it was part of a peace process.
* When the Nazis tried to claim the V symbol was pro-Nazi, Norwegians added a "II" to V graffiti to symbolise King Haakon VII.
- Charles RB
Oh, also Emperor Haile Selassie regained power in Ethiopia after Italian forces were driven out by the Allies; he'd been using his exile to call for international intervention to liberate his country, and was pretty popular. Unfortunately for him, he lost that popularity in the 70s, began to lose control of the country, and was deposed by a Soviet-backed military coup.
ReplyDeleteNow there's a depressing thought about what might happen to Prince Argon, Leia et al...
- Charles RB
In regards to Micronauts specifically, Transformers has been doing the same thing: we rarely, if ever, see any democratic systems on the planet Cybertron, and Optimus Prime is usually the absolute ruler of the Autobots, having leadership because he bears a sacred relic; sometimes, he's granted supreme power by the ruling government, who themselves never seem democratic. And this is the guy who says "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"! (There's also incidents of that dodgy standby, the Bad Government who is cruelly using bureacracy to restrict Our Boys and is also really corrupt. Transformers Animated is the only one with a functioning civilian government!)
ReplyDeleteJust to make things odder, in one Marvel US issue, an episode of Beast Wars, and a recent IDW issue, the heroic Autobots/Maximals have a vote on who should be leader when there's no clear successor. (Weirder, in one cartoon ep, the evil Decepticons vote on a course of action)
- Charles RB
Hello EMPEROR and CHARLES
ReplyDeletewhat a blessing, to live in a intranetblog world where the admission that I'm scratching my head to think of examples provides me through your kindness and learning the evidence above.
I actually have no idea how to appropriately reply to such generous comments beyond saying a sincere "thank you" for the information and fine thinking. I shall be attending to this homework upon my awakening tomorrow, and will in the fullness of time attempt to construct another reductionist house of cards that will require your assistance to demolish.
Thank you.
Charles, as I believe you know, I have no knowledge at all about the Transformers universe, but what you're saying here seems to be exactly the kind of political oddness that characterises those early Micronauts comics.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if it is that writers for such material just don't care too much about politics, or if they think their youthful audiences don't need to have things make sense in order for them to be enjoyable. Of course, having a Transformers universe where younger fans have both a thrilling king and yet the comforting slogans of western democracy thrown around does make a kind of cartoon emotional sense.
I think it's mainly that writers haven't thought too much about it or they're sticking to genre troops with grim determination. Sometimes, they also try to use specific historical events - or the myths of them - to bolster a story: the origin of the Decepticons have been based (loosely) on the decline on Rome, and also on the 80s miners strikes in the UK. In the case of the latter, it was to give the Decepticons a sympathetic reason for turning on the state... which unfortunately meant the murderous dictators are working class rebels and the heroes defending life & liberty are the elites & security forces. (A recent TF book has done this too) This doesn't appear to be deliberate and is even contradicted by other issues.
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"Now there's a depressing thought about what might happen to Prince Argon, Leia et al..."
ReplyDeleteIn some ways that is at least as interesting as the revolution by secular technocrats (Star Wars prequels) and the restoration of a monarchy (Star Wars and Micronauts, although confusingly in Star Wars, they are called the Empire and the Republic ;) ), when the shine wears off and the improvements can never match the expectations, until ultimately the roots of another revolution start to find purchase.
The Star Wars Expanded Universe rather dodges the bullet on this by never fully having the Imperials defeated before a big alien threat hoves into view. They wanted to avoid the back-and-forth that'd usually happen in these circumstances.
It'd certainly be an interesting direction to take things (if it hasn't already been done, of course - I haven't kept up with the post-Marvel storylines), suspicion, infighting and general nastiness.
Hello Charles:- that's just brilliant! It's so out-there, so in contradiction of either story-logic or political-logic that it seems almost like some sublime outsider art. And it really does raise the question of to what degree some illogic in a text raises a sense of productive unease in an audience? I mean, such examples of hyper-reality could descend worryingly into texts which by accident really did say some unpleasant things, but there's still something there to chew on the writerly front ...
ReplyDeleteHello Emperor:- and you're of course discussing anoher story-trick there, namely how to avoid a text degenerating into a simple matter of the villain being defeated, coming back and being defeated again. In The Micronauts, from what I've read, the whole story collapsed to a great or lesser degree when Karza wasn't around.
ReplyDelete"Suspicion, infighting and general nastiness" - That sounds like a seminar title on a writer's weekend retreat, and it's a class I'd sign up for. I like your thinking and your sloganeering, sir.
There's a pretty impressive correlation to a 'Nauts-esque adventure happening right now in the "Thanos Imperative" by DnA.
ReplyDeleteAlso contains one of the "things that scare me," by the way.
In it there is a universe which has conquered Death. Destroyed it so utterly that literally nothing can be killed or die there. This universe is bursting at the seams and due to some previous cosmic shenanigans in our universe the barriers between are quite weak out there on the far edges.
Seemingly ten seconds into the series our team is on the ropes. It takes all the powers combined of the cosmic abstracts (Galactus level and up) to even slow the advance of these Lovecraftian monstrosities led by...
Captain Mar-Vell.
"I can feel the many angled ones murmuring their pleasure..."
Whoa. To make it worse, he's touching his stomach rather affectionately. Which makes me think, "Something's in there..."
Seeing Mar-Vell corrupted like this is a powerful move and it is very clearly written that this is not a "negative" universe where good is evil and vice versa. This universe is quite close to ours. These were heroes. These were very close to the ones we know and to see them so perverted by the "undying lord" seems to dovetail nicely with your points about Karza's vampirism. How it is glorying in the taking and the subverting and the CHANGE from what was to what IS.
Richard Rider - Nova - is pretty much the last line of defense and it's a credit to DnA that I BELIEVE he'll do it. NOVA! Now...that's writing.
Bah, ramble. what happened to my well thought out responses? Oh well...best to you sir and this will have to do!
Hello Smitty:- it didn't read like a ramble to me at all, Mr S, and you had me at the corrupt-and-worryingly-sort-of-pregnant Captain Mar-Vell, one of my two or three favourite heroes of my early teenage years. The idea of something growing inside one - that isn't of course a splendid baby! - is indeed deeply disturbing. Merge that with a undying, desperate Mar-Vell and it's a vile business. It certainly makes me wish the whole strip was up on Marvel Digital for me to read right now.
ReplyDeleteSeveral folks whose opinions I have a great deal of faith in speak highly of the Marvel Cosmic titles under DnA. I fear another investigative campaign coming on.
"Several folks whose opinions I have a great deal of faith in speak highly of the Marvel Cosmic titles under DnA. I fear another investigative campaign coming on."
ReplyDeleteAbout time too!!
Here is my guide to the recent Marvel Cosmic run.
Interesting factarooni: The Many-Angled Ones appears to be Grant Morrison only major contribution to the Cthulhu Mythos, the beauty of it is that it feels like it should have a much longer history as it works perfectly, but as far as my research skills (which are fierce) can discover it is all GM. It seems to be popular with writers who've worked on 2000AD and I am never sure whether it is a wink to Mr M or they hoovered it up without realising and thought it had a origin with HP or his Mythos chums (which sounds like a great kids cartoon).
Hello Emperor:- I was of course referring to yourself as one of those several folks, and I appreciate the guide very much. I'm as up to date as I can be on the Marvel digital site, but books aren't always printed in sequence, major issues are often missing and more recent issues are no longer put up as they once were. It's not that it's not a good service; it's invaluable for researching these blogs and I got a v. good deal on it, but it does me out of touch to a degree.
ReplyDelete"Mythos And His Chums" - ah, the hours we spent watching that friendly dog and his chums investigating strange happenings in caves and beneath the sea and being scared witless and then tortured by shadowing creatures. The toys were GREAT, too ...
Just to toss a spanner in the works. It seems that Argon and Mari aren't of the original ruling family. That would actually have been Rann, as his parents were the original rulers overthrown by chief scientist Karza.
ReplyDeleteHello Force:- that is a spanner in the works! And, as is the intention of course of such revelations when they're loaded into the text of a book, it makes the reader think again of how everything is related and what everything always meant.
ReplyDeleteI fear I'm no more relaxed with old Commander Rann being the King who's returned to save everyone than I am with the alternatives, but that's good! Micronauts is obviously not a book to feel laid-back about where its meanings are concerned.