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Weird scenes inside the goldmines at both Marvel and DC Comics, it appears. Rich Johnston's report at Bleeding Cool of institutional capriciousness and insensitivity at DC was depressing enough in itself. How is the reader ever going to believe that the constantly-promised new comics millennium will soon arrive from 1700 Broadway, when the most fundamental of human decencies appear to be being occasionally dealt with so carelessly? For as far as I'm aware, there's no contemporary business model which suggests any such managerial practises tend to enable excellence where the employees in a modern creative industry are concerned.
Yet all of that appears almost benign and efficient when compared to the descriptions at The Beat of what seems to be almost Dickensian conditions in the workplace at Marvel. One toilet per one hundred staff, cameras pointing at folks in order to make sure that they're not frittering away the hours? As laughable an idea as it might be to the more unengaged of the Rump, I'm really not sure how comfortable I am with my eaten-away-by-inflation teacher's pension being invested in what sounds like little-league predatory capitalism. Certainly, reading Tom Spurgeon's typically humane and insightful piece on the recent firings at Marvel leaves this reader with nothing but a quite useless sympathy for those folks who've been moved on in the name of 'cost-cutting'. No, none of this makes me feel like picking up a few more issues of any post-Fear Itself or Schism tie-ins.
If these reports are to be at all believed, then it's hard to see how the mainstream of comics is likely to be able to suddenly ratchet up the quality of its product. And it really does seem that there's a considerable degree of - shall we say - unfortunate executive involvement at both companies concerning which titles get published and what content appears in them. Perhaps we'll discover at some time in the future that all these endless tie-ins and all of that enervatingly thin storytelling had little to do with the creative and editorial staff at the Big Two at all. There may even be a moment at which a great many of those folks who are currently being pilloried for their unambitious and insular standards turn out to have been working their damnedest to keep some measure of excellence alive while the market declines and the higher-ups indulge in their own perverse version of enlightened stewardship. (*1) It's something which Damien Lucchese's admirable post on Facebook following his lay-off from Marvel certainly appears to confirm.
I spent almost two decades working in English schools, where the Government hype about how fine a job their system was doing was as overwhelmingly pernicious as was their constant and ever-changing meddling with even the most basic aspects of teaching.(Deborah Orr discusses Britain's literacy crisis, and the efforts to obscure it, in today's Guardian, should you be interested.) With much of the educational establishment absolutely bent on following whatever this week's soundbite political reform might be, I shared my life with a cadre of teachers who did their best to continue to deliver the fundamentals of numeracy, literacy and self-discipline despite promotion all too often coming from the delivery of the exact opposite qualities. It was regularly a thankless business, and brought with it endless trouble from the apparatchiks and sleepwalkers who'd bought into the myth that all those ever-improving exam results meant that the students themselves really had been well taught.
By which I mean, and for what little it's worth, it'll be my pleasure to make the most sincere of apologies if and when it turns out that the professional members of the Common Comics Culture have actually been working almost as double-agents, struggling without any broader recognition for the survival of the fantastical comic book in the face of the edicts from their various lords and masters. Mea culpe .
*1:- Michael May raises the issue at Robot 6 of whether reviewers can ever be sure who's responsible for a comic's contents these days in "Everyone's A Critic, So Let's Be Good Ones"
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I was just 12 years old when I first visited Dark They Were And Golden Eyed, London's first specialist comic book shop. That did for me. I have a horrible feeling that if I were given the opportunity to revisit any event in my life which wasn't either associated with family or not-for-public viewing, then that shop in that year would be where I'd go. It's not a nostalgia which I've any interest in defending; you'll either understand the weakness and the longing or you'll raise the garlic and the cross and move onwards.
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As the industry spirals into a disturbingly familiar mix of manic expansion and slash'n'burn cost-cutting, it helps to think of some considerably less compromised aspects of our mutual hobby. Over at Sequential Crush, the newly Europe-based Jacque Nodell describes her first visit to a Danish comicbook shop. I never imagined that I'd regret not having access to a comic shop in Aarhus, but Komics really does seems well worth a visit. At Bob Temuka's The Tearoom Of Despair, there's a quietly charming account of one man's plans to visit some far distinct comic shops, and of his wife's understanding where such a fan-minded wanderlust is concerned. And over at Comic Book Resources, George Khoury describes a day spent helping out at NYC's Time Machine, which certainly sounds like another destination well worth the travelling to.
There's still a magic to be found in the idea of a well-stocked, friendly-staffed comic shop, and yet they're sadly far rarer on the ground than I ever imagined that they would be in the 21st century. Ah, the future ...
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Lastly, if anyone here is interested in an entirely trustworthy and efficient mail-order service in the U.K., I'd whole-heartedly recommend Croydon's A Place In Space. They don't know me from Adam, so there's nothing behind this beyond the fact that they're entirely reliable with highly competitive prices and free posting to boot. I've had some unfortunate experiences with the business of buying comics through the mail over the past few years, and I wish somebody had told about A Place In Space earlier. So I've told you.
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Here's a disagreement which I take a certain illicit pleasure in promoting. On the one hand, Jim Shooter passes a less-than-flattering judgment on the new Ultimate Spider-Man's issues 1 and 2. (The review of the first issue in particular does not go easy on Mr Bendis's new baby.) On the other, Sequart's Julian Darius argues that the very same comics contain a great deal to be admired. Of course, neither gentlemen references the others, but let's not permit that to stand in the way of a grand compare'n'contrast exercise. Who will emerge triumphant? Shooter's got the extra inches, but Julian's the younger man ...
For those looking for a chucklesome way to continue the day, I'd definetly recommend Kerry Callen's "May Contain Content". If you're a stranger there, I'd start at "Super Antics # 2", which on its own is well worth the visit. And then why not a trip over to Ty Templeton's place, where there's a rather sweet family adventure here - of sorts - and a Bun Toons concerned with the "Wall Street" occupations here. (It does have a superhero in it too.)
Finally, a few discussions of the exceptionally wretched closing issue of Fear Itself, which was so inexplicably poor that I daren't even start writing about it. Thankfully, Paul O'Brien at House To Astonish has done what he always does, namely nailing the essence of the comic he's discussing, and in little over 500 words too. And then, everyone over to Graeme McMillan at Newsarama, where he skewers one impossibly stupid subway tunnel of a plothole in the same shameful comicbook, in That Fear Itself Epilogue You'll Never See.
I laughed until I ripped the comic into tiny little pieces ...
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In closing, I'd like to sincerely thank the following for the links which they've posted to TooBusyThinking over the past 10 days. Some were criticising what they'd found here and some weren't, but they all brought traffic this way and I appreciate their including me in their discussions. And so, in a deliberately random order - as chosen by the Splendid Wife with her trusty teacher's pencil - my hat is tipped to; Tom Spurgeon at the Comics Reporter: Valiant Comics on Twitter : Sally P at Green Lantern Butts Forever, who has her own take on the enigma of John Stewart's behaviour in GLC # 1: Dispatches From The Fridge; Chris Eckert at Funny Book Babylon, who discusses his disappointments with my analysis of Ultimates # 1: Andrew Whickey at Sci-ence - Justice Leak; Figserello at Captain Comics: J. Caleb Mozzocco at Every Day Is Like Wednesday; Comic Book Kid on Twitter: Greg Burgas at Comic Book Resources: Jay Potts at World Of Hurt on Twitter: to Gricomet at Reddit: Ragnell at 77% Recycled From Other Tumblers; Dan Liebke on Twitter; Yanbasque on Twitter, who thought my GLC post had a few good points despite its "clunky prose", which, reading back, turns out to be entirely fair comment where the prose is concerned; and, lastly but never leastly, to wyokid at the CBR forums;
I appreciate the kindness of being taken into the broader debate, and I wish all of above the very kindest of days. Should someone's link not have registered with Statcounter, and some pretty substantial traffic has failed to do so in recent weeks, then I'm both grateful for your help and sorry that I didn't acknowledge you.
And a fearsomely happy Halloween to all!
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Just wanted to comment on watchmen. Still reading. Not entertaining except when Moore shifts to Dr. Manhattan. I LOVE that character. But astonishingly ambitious. :)
ReplyDeleteHello gl_hater:- Perhaps what you describe is a mark of a truly great book. Even when it's not to your taste, there are elements of it which fascinate.
ReplyDeleteAs I say, I struggle with much of the book myself. But as you say, it really is 'astonishingly ambitious', and entertaining simply because of that ...
Thanks Colin. It's always fun to talk about John Stewart!
ReplyDeleteHello SallyP:- And my thanks to you too :) It's been a pleasure to find myself in an unofficial, pro-John Stewart, cross-blog team-up.
ReplyDeleteGood to read your thoughts on Dark They Were...
ReplyDeleteIt was the first comic shop I ever visited, when I was also about 12 years old, and, yes, if I could set my time machine to "Wardour St. circa 1978" I would. I remember my parents buying me Marvel's Conan #24, the legendary "Song Of Red Sonja", for the unheard-of sum of £5...
whew, that is a lot of stuff to consider. Being a heartless reviewer myself, I may just check out the link concerning the working conditions at the big 2, even though it's sure to throw me for a loop. NOW who will I complain about?
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to report that I've actually caught up on all the recent posts, the search for the extraordinary in Watchmen and DKR has been inspiring, and any point of contention I may have has almost entirely all been addressed by one person or the other in all the comments I've read (though I'm surprised at the lack of Batman apologists- like myself- that aren't concerned with the bat politics of the book, it being an uncomplex fictional world where we can KNOW that Batman is always in the right... naturally, taken in a real world setting it is of course troubling, and by no means do I fault anyone for applying the princibles on display in DKR to the real world and finding them horrible. The fault is mine for taking the fiction as fiction, separated from reality, especially when the creators are surely in discussion with the super hero as query into personal power against the state in the real world... ah, this is going to sound like I'm against the idea of looking at the politics on display and applying them to the real world. Yeesh, I wouldn't be much of a reader if that were the case!)
While here, I wanted to drop a thank you note to you, Colin, for the heads up about the Silver Age Superman oppourtunity. I'm happy to say that I am now amongst the fraternity that holds and cherishes his own copy of the book. It's a challenging story, but all the better than most comics for it.
Did I mention that the WM and DKR articles have been inspiring? I did, and I mean that not just in a "golly, this sure is interesting stuff" (it sure is that, too) but in a "I'm being attacked by story ideas that I sure want to put to use" way, and that's pretty great as far as I'm concerned.
It would seem that comics have also been a victim of the shortweighting prevalent in other retail products :-)
ReplyDeleteI hear you too about the state of education. The teacher's union here in NZ is (again) fighting against our conservative National Party government's "National Standards" in primary schools - directly comparable to the failed US and UK policies - with almost one third of primary schools (and their parent boards) directly refusing to implement them. The policy of performance pay which the previous National government failed to force through in the 1990s has also been dusted off from whichever Ministry of Education drawer it was hidden in under the 1999-2008 Labour government. You may this documentary enlightening although rather depressing:
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/a-civilised-society-2006
And don't get me started on profitable being businesses closed down because they don't make "enough" profit (despite operating successfully in some cases for more than 100 years).
The same old corporate shenanigans are being pulled everywhere. I wonder when we'll see the Marvel heroes join the Occupy Wall Street protests in the 616 universe? Oh wait - as you previously pointed out, they're all part of the ruling elite now anyway...
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a grumpy old man, but watching 30 years of the same old rubbish gets wearying. At least more people seem to be waking up to it now...
kiwijohn
Hello cerebus660:- Is there anything more lethal to a developing memory than a wonderland of rare and more-or-less forbidden product? What I loved about DTWAGE was that, in my memory at least, there was nothing polite and precious about it at all. It was just boxes and boxes and piles and piles of comics towering over me. When I was first there, it was impossible to buy American Marvels in England because the British operation thought that might lower sales on the UK reprints. And then they were everywhere around me in this dark and crammed little shop behind Berwick Street's market stalls and just a few steps from a Soho that was far rougher than anything you might find there today, during the daytime at least.
ReplyDelete£5 for The Song Of RS? When I think what could've been bought for nothing at all! And yet some of the things - which I still have - which I most treasure are comics which mattered to me even as they don't matter much to the back issue market. (I'm sure that Conan issue is in many ways the same to you.) Savage Sword Of Conans with the lushest of Alcala inks. Undistributed Marvel Two In One issues by Steve Gerber.
Yep, I'd go back in a flash. I'll meet you there!
Hello Isaac:- “Being a heartless reviewer myself, I may just check out the link concerning the working conditions at the big 2, even though it's sure to throw me for a loop. NOW who will I complain about?”
ReplyDeleteI know, I know! And the fact is, it’s hard to imagine that content and style isn’t being determined just as the business of lay-offs and stock levels are. It may be that there are lots of folks who are weary of deconstruction taken to extremes, and of tie-ins upon tie-ins and so on. And if taking direction and smiling is the way to keep families being fed and a hand upon the levers, well, I certainly wouldn’t be sneering. Far from it. Yet at the moment, all we can do is trust that the editors and creators have the leeway which they’ve traditionally been given, and that those folks who are saying that they’re sailing their own ship really are. We can only criticise according to the information we're given, I fear.
”I'm happy to report that I've actually caught up on all the recent posts, the search for the extraordinary in Watchmen and DKR has been inspiring, and any point of contention I may have has almost entirely all been addressed by one person or the other in all the comments I've read”
Yeah, me too! And in fact there’s been several ideas for further pieces on the canon which I’ve laid to one side because folks have dealt with them in the comments. It’s good stuff and I’m really pleased for it.
“..though I'm surprised at the lack of Batman apologists- like myself- that aren't concerned with the bat politics of the book, it being an uncomplex fictional world where we can KNOW that Batman is always in the right... naturally, taken in a real world setting it is of course troubling, and by no means do I fault anyone for applying the principles on display in DKR to the real world and finding them horrible.”
I think that as time has passed, the kind of politics FM was playing with in TDKR have become more and more common in certain areas of the media and of the political system. When it was just FM making such arguments in comics, it came across as something which was so ludicrous that it couldn’t matter. Or at least, that was how it was for me. But as the far right has successfully moved further and further into the mainstream, so TDKR seems to become more worrying. That’s only my P.O.V., of course.
“The fault is mine for taking the fiction as fiction, separated from reality, especially when the creators are surely in discussion with the super hero as query into personal power against the state in the real world... ah, this is going to sound like I'm against the idea of looking at the politics on display and applying them to the real world. Yeesh, I wouldn't be much of a reader if that were the case!)”
Well, I think that it’s fine to read comics for whatever reasons you want to. And nobody is ever going to be able to challenge you for a lack of thought about the material you read. I do worry that by taking a stance as I do, that I come across as expecting the entire world to see things as I do. I don’t always even agree with myself once something’s been printed. Which is why I’m grateful to folks such as yourself, for dropping over and expressing ideas which are individual and well-considered. I know some folks who’ve popped into this blog mistake a fiercely-held opinion for a desire to obliterate any opposing stances, but I never meant that to seem to be the case. In fact, some of my favorite critics are folks who I often disagree with violently. Shaw and Vidal come to mind, and I wouldn’t ever want to stop reading their essays over and over again.
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ReplyDelete”While here, I wanted to drop a thank you note to you, Colin, for the heads up about the Silver Age Superman oppourtunity. I'm happy to say that I am now amongst the fraternity that holds and cherishes his own copy of the book. It's a challenging story, but all the better than most comics for it.”
I AM SO PLEASED! I have absolute faith in the comic, and yet it’s always worrying advising folks on such things. It IS a challenging story, isn’t it, and I don’t think I’ve ever cracked it myself. To say the least. How many comics can you say that about?
Thanks for saying that. I do appreciate it.
”Did I mention that the WM and DKR articles have been inspiring? I did, and I mean that not just in a "golly, this sure is interesting stuff" (it sure is that, too) but in a "I'm being attacked by story ideas that I sure want to put to use" way, and that's pretty great as far as I'm concerned.”
Ah, well, the process works both ways, Mr I. I appreciate you dropping in, and I appreciate the individual perspective you bring. Thank you
Hello kiwijohn:- “Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a grumpy old man, but watching 30 years of the same old rubbish gets wearying. At least more people seem to be waking up to it now...”
ReplyDeleteOh, I don’t think you are, sir. The short-termism , ignorance and self-interest of both wings of politics in the UK at least where education is concerned would try the patience of the most devoted of democracts. It certainly wears me down! What’s been done in the education system in the UK has little to do with party politics in any sane fashion. Conservatives creating systems which constrict individual liberty, Labour producing policy which self-evidently penalize the poor … In the end, it’s just been a terrible cock-up from beginning to end on the political front. Lord knows how the system would’ve survived if not for all the good folks working their hearts out within it.
By which I don’t mean to say that your situation is the same. I know that left and right in NZ aren’t in any way shadows of the UK’s politics. All I mean is I know what it’s like to be caught in the middle of an insane situation. After all, as you’re quite rightly saying, those ‘national standards’ just don’t work in the way that the UK framed them. A quarter of a century after the National Curriculum was introduced and literacy levels have never been worse since the second world war. Good luck to you and yours in what’s to come.
“It would seem that comics have also been a victim of the shortweighting prevalent in other retail products :-)”
“The same old corporate shenanigans are being pulled everywhere. I wonder when we'll see the Marvel heroes join the Occupy Wall Street protests in the 616 universe? Oh wait - as you previously pointed out, they're all part of the ruling elite now anyway... “
They’ll be liberated, kiwijohn! Those super-heroes will start to think for themselves. They’ll learn and all develop their own politics, from all parts from right to left and quite outside the spectrum, they’ll kick up super-debates, engage in passionate and informed super-campaigns, and lead the 616 Earth into a solidly and inspiringly democrat future.
Well, they will in my daydreams …
I also thought the piece at the Beat very interesting. Must be deeply unpleasant to work in such an environment.
ReplyDeleteAs a customer I can´t understand Marvel´s policy for keeping books in print. How can you not keep books like the hardcover Punisher Max in print? You get 1,2,4,5 but 3 is unavaiable. Same goes for a lot of the better received trades and Essentials. On the other hand they keep churning out hardcovers and collections of material which quality is debatable at best. Book publishers are overjoyed if they have a longseller. Comic publishers seem to be a different breed.
But I have never understood Marvel.
Hello Andy:- I was rather worried about adding those links to the bigger sites, actually, thinking that most folks would've read them. But they were obviously important to the piece, and it turns out that just about everybody who's turned up has clicked upon at least one of them. Thank you for doing so.
ReplyDeleteI think it's safe to say that there's plenty of folks at Marvel who can't understand what Marvel is doing either! It seems that policy of not stocking books in depth is something which is driving certain Marvel-folks to despair. But the boss gets to do what the boss wants to do, and it doesn't seem as if the big man has any sympathy with the idea that investing in stock can result in sales.
A shame. I'd certainly save up my pennies for the Omnibus editions, but they're often out of print and going for fortunes by the time I can save up for them. I'd've loved that Eternals collection, for example. But there you go. If Marvel doesn't want my money, I can spend it on less important things, like food, and the morgage :)
Doesn't really contribute much to the conversation ongoing, but I thought I'd mention that thing about the Marvel toilets to my brother, as his one pleasure at work is the doing of "catastrophic and frightening" poops he sometimes describes in detail to me later (the words 'acidic' and 'eyes watered' have sometimes been used) in the lavvies of the top floor where all the middle managers hang out doing sweet FA. He works for the social services, mind, and takes great pleasure in causing discomfort to what sounds like an inherently racist place seething with anti-Muslim sentiment and very, very bitter middle class women who don't get along - I don't think he'd take quite as much pleasure inflicting stinkbombs on a staffroom that seems to be being taken advantage of.
ReplyDeleteGood to see you getting reviews, Colin - that's how you know you've almost arrived. You'll know you've definately arrived when the reviews - and comments therupon - are all about how you used to be good until you sold out.
Hello Mr B:- Your brother's place of work sounds remarkably like the Department Of Employment back in the height of Thatcherism in 1981, where I briefly worked for a disastrous few months. Those that didn't seem to loathe the unemployed - of which the Iron Maiden has ensured there were a great many - seemed to care not a fig for them. I can think of one exception, of one person who ever spoke with sympathy of the folks they were supposed to be serving.
ReplyDeleteIt's much harder to disrupt - shall we say - the ecosphere shared by one and one's colleagues when it's THEM against US, I would imagine. When it's US against US, everything falls apart. I wonder; do the very highest of execs at Marvel share the 1 to 100 facilities? Does the man with a few hundred million in his bank account queue with his fellow toilers?
If I could work out to sell out, Mr B, I'd at least be interested in sussing out how to make such a concept work. Sadly, but inevitably, my skills are, a-hem, non-transferable.
Hi Colin, those Dark They Were ads that used to appear in British Marvel were nigh-magical to my ten-year old mind ... somewhere in the capital where you could get any comic at all! Wow.
ReplyDeleteAnd so beautifully drawn - wasn't it early Brian Bolland?
I don't set too much store by those horror stories about DC. As those Jim Shooter blogs so usefully demonstrate - whichever side of the fence you're on - there are 15 sides to every story. And I've worked in enough publishing jobs to know that whether it's newspapers, book publishing or, indeed, comics, egos abound (and I'm as obnoxious as anyone else). Management isn't always great, but it's generally only the bad stuff you hear about.
Though this Mad Men tribute act at Marvel does seem to have more personal power, and willingness to use it in stupid-sounding ways, than most.
Hello Martin:- They are early Bolland pieces, you're right, and I too feel a great deal of nostalgia when I look at them.
ReplyDelete" ... somewhere n the capital where you could get any comic at all! Wow."
Yeah, but they didn't manage to keep the high-demand books in stock! All those piles and piles of boxes and yet the likes of Giant Sized X-Men # 1 was gone before I could get a copy. I'm not moaning the moan of the entitled, but I would have loved a copy in the day.
"I don't set too much store by those horror stories about DC. As those Jim Shooter blogs so usefully demonstrate - whichever side of the fence you're on - there are 15 sides to every story."
I agree about the 15 sides, but I did want to put up the idea that I'm aware that the credits boxes don't always tell the whole truth and nothing but. I guess I'm less concerned about the situation there and more about the situation here :)
"Though this Mad Men tribute act at Marvel does seem to have more personal power, and willingness to use it in stupid-sounding ways, than most."
Those are incredibly disturbing stories about Marvel, aren't they? It doesn't sound like the sort of thing I'd associate with the Bullpen. And I know that was decades ago, but these illusions stick. Quite frankly, if Flo isn't standing guard outside Stan's office while he's inside with John'n'Gene plotting the next Daredevil/Spidey crossover, I'm not interested ...
If you have the occasion to briefly check Voodoo #2 at your comic book store, the author answer his critics in Voodoo inner-dialogue in the first or second page. (Sorry, for some reason it made me think about M. Night Shyamalan's Lady in the Water.)
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A side question: From where came the first panel of this article with the people bounding with their masks?
Hello Cedric:- Thank you for the steer. I'll certainly go and check that out.
ReplyDeleteThe panel you asked about is from the splendid Super Friends # 28, "Masquerade Of Madness", which is collected in the Super-Friends: Truth, Justice And Peace!" TPB. I retain a great deal of affection for the title, for which writer E.Nelson Bridwell managed the trick of being incredibly continuity-minded while still producing highly enjoyable all-ages stories. The only problem with the story is that Ramona Fradon's pencils are mangled by Vince Colleta's ink. A shame, as her work is always worth the reading ...
Dear Colin,
ReplyDeleteI have been reading your posts for months, and during my time of trying to find a voice to write, have been continually inspired by your wonderful and insightful commentary. In issues I both agree and disagree with, I am riveted by your knowledge, even-handedness, and passion for the field.
Though I am attempting to do a broad criticism of pop culture, my passion has always been comics and you have inspired me greatly to improve my work. I just wanted to thank you, and hope to one day speak with you about a medium we both clearly love :) Now to write things my website will vehemently disagree with ;)
Jeff Adams
Nerdiest-Kids
Hello Jeff:- thank you for such generous words. It's certainly heartening to return from a day away dealing with everyday family affairs and make your acquaintance in such a way. Being that I too am struggling to find a voice, it strikes me that we find ourselves in similar waters. But I can't think of a more kind compliment than to have it suggested that TooBusyThinking is a place to come and disagree as well as agree with what's being discussed. Thank you for saying that. I get tremendously baffled by the assumption made by some folks that the process of trying to work out an opinion on a blog is the equivilant of declaring war on every other possible point of view there is. I'm glad to know that there's even more folks who do get it, as you of course argued in your recent piece "Art you not entertained" at http://nerdiest-kids.com/art-you-not-entertained/. It was a gracious thing you did to add this blog to your recommended sites in that article, and I appreciated it. If we hadn't have crossed paths here, I'd certainly have taken the opportunity to say 'thanks' in my next Miscellany.
ReplyDeleteI must say, I'm impressed with nerdiest kids. It's such a vigorous site, and I feel like a great deal of dinosaur in comparison to it. For that reason in addition to the others mentioned above, I'm grateful for you popping over. I'm inspired by what I saw, and it's heartening to think that we don't live in mutually exclusive worlds.
All the best!
If we are treading the same waters, it is an honor to do so :)I am trying to create a voice in my community that allows differences of opinion that do not devolve into fallacies and name calling. Harder than you might think on a group of 18-35 males.
ReplyDeleteThank you for reading the article as it was partially inspired by you and sequarts Julian Darius' discussions, among others in the comments. Its wonderful when people you admire read your work! And you are quite welcome for the mention!
I hope to join in on more discussions, in between inciting staff riots with my articles :D I always love finding a fresh blog from you, and consider it a treat to read it and the comments within. To many more encounters within our worlds. Hopefully without a Crisis event! :D
Jeff Adams
American Banter & Nerdiest-Kids
Hello Jeff:- "Harder than you might think on a group of 18-35 males."
ReplyDeleteI can't say that it sounds like an easy job at all, Jeff. Mind you, that only makes it all the more worthwhile a job to be doing. And it strikes me, from what I can see, that Nerdiest-Kids is good community to be working within. I've always had a belief that there's a great many folks who simply don't want to fritter away their time on the kind of conflict they can get for no effort at all in any supermarket car-park or traffic light queue.
"... and sequarts Julian Darius' discussions, among others in the comment"
Julian is an inspiration to me too, it should be said. He has a fierce belief in the medium AND the process of civil debate about it.
"I hope to join in on more discussions, in between inciting staff riots with my articles"
You're always welcome, although I'm always absolutely chuffed when folks pop in for a moment and move onwards in complete silence. I never understood that term 'lurkers' and the meaning it conveys. I'm amazed that anyone ever drops over, and I'm just pleased that they do.
"I am trying to create a voice in my community that allows differences of opinion that do not devolve into fallacies and name calling"
Mind you, starting your replies to the piece you refer to with a comment from the estimable Son Of Baldwin is a cool thing in itself, isn't it? There's alot of good and smart folks in the blogosphere. Every time I hear someone in the media speaking about the evils of the net, I nod in agreement, because I've had some unpleasant moments myself, but I also remember how absolutely splendid the vast majority of the folks I "meet" are.
"To many more encounters within our worlds. Hopefully without a Crisis event!"
Hear, hear :)
Fear Itself, what a total shambles. The real tragedy of this mess of an 'event' is that there is a really superb story lurking in there somewhere - and that story is inexplicably told in the wonderful Journey Into Mystery.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, while not actually containing the all-important missing plot, many of the crossover comics (Thunderbolts, Youth in Revolt, Avengers Academy, The Homefront, even Abnett's version of The New Mutants) have been highly entertaining. But why would anyone bother seeking those when the flagship book is such a cackhanded mishmash of unconnected emotionless splash pages?
Thanks much for the link. I was very much moved to write it. I did later read Shooter's blog entries, and I thought he made very good points. I think we agree largely about the artwork, although he points out some legitimate problems. But my own concern was more for these (what I regard as) powerful moments, which delicately and movingly touch upon race and parents. (I was weeping, relating them to a non-comics reader the other night.) But largely, I don't disagree with most of Shooter's points.
ReplyDeleteAnd many thanks, Jeff and Colin, for your attentions!
I do want to briefly address the climate at DC and Marvel. I find the description of Marvel's climate, in particular, quite hard to believe. But it does underline, as you say, how the office politics that may have gone into any given corporate title are rather unfathomable. I don't think that should shut off criticism by any means, but I've found comics pros almost universally reasonable and kind, and that does color my own interpretation of certain comics. I don't know if it's fully comparable to slugging away at the teaching salt mines, but it's to your credit that you can suggest the comparison. We are all always negotiating our own histories and biases.
Good post as always! Sorry I've been away recently -- just busy.
Hello Tordelback:- I can't disagree with a single word you've said. Fear Itself was indeed "a cackhanded mishmash of unconnected emotionless splash pages" - how can that be? - and Journey Into Mystery was an endlessly more entertaining and satisfying read.
ReplyDeleteI've not read the tie-in issues you mention, though I did pick up the Avengers Academy dealing with the aftermath of the event. Times are hard and as you say, if the central book isn't of any value at all, then it's hard to want to buy into the supporting titles.
I hope that the word did come down from on high that the tie-in was going to be real lowest common denominator stuff. I wouldn't want editors and creators working under such pressure and constraints, but I'd rather it was predatory capitalism framing Fear Itself rather than a deliberate choice to tell a story that way.
Hello Julian:- I thought the contrast between Mr Shooter's opinions and yours were fascinating. As you say, you were far more concerned with the meaning of the book than any one particular vision of how a comics story ought to be told. That clash between perspectives ended up just making me even more impatient for the first TPB, and that's especially so given how the comic moved you.
ReplyDelete"I don't think that should shut off criticism by any means, but I've found comics pros almost universally reasonable and kind, and that does color my own interpretation of certain comics."
Hear, hear. I've had very few professionals be anything than wonderfully kind to me. (One of them was snotty on Twitter after receiving a rave review. Well, ex-cuse me :)) I'm going to find it hard not to snarl when there's a clear example of callous thinking or a careless lack of concern on the page where the likes of rape porn, sexism, racism and so on are concerned. But beyond that, it's so hard to work out whose hands were the wheel when the ship hit the rocks. We have to act as if the credits and the public interviews etc are true, but a suspicion remains that, as in any industry, what the folks on the shop floor are doing isn't framed entirely, shall we say, by their own desires.
I do hope the day is treating you kindly.
Oh Man, Dark they were and Golden Eyed. Now that was a comic shop. I made my first solo visit to london when I was about 12 or 13 to visit that shop and still remember it now,(and judge every shop by it)I had £10 birthday money on my first visit and came back with a pile of treasures a foot high that kept me reading for the next couple of months. The fact that it was my first comic shop was compounded by the fact that, up to then, my comic buying had involved a journey taking in some 10 newsagents scattered around the outer regions of Southampton to collect what ever I could lay my hands on. Oh Happy days
ReplyDeleteHello Peter:- Well, that's you, me and cerebus660 up for the same time-traveling experience. I too remember coming away from DTWAGE with a pile of comics for about £10 birthday money around the autumn of 1974. And it was a huge pile of comics. Not only did dosh buy more comics, but they were far more substantial on the whole than many modern equivalents, though I'm not sure that all of them were actually any better!
ReplyDeleteAnd I too recall the trips around all of newsagents of a neighborhood, and a neighborhood which stretched for miles and miles and miles. From Heathrow to Kingston, from Richmond out to Sunbury and even Windsor; it's odd to remember how popular comics once were, and how many of them there were .... :)