Continued from yesterday; "The superhero comic is an impossibly tough sell, so how to convert the
blissfully unconcerned heathen who isn't already predisposed towards the
adventures of the cape'n'chest-insignia brigade? ... Which books might just convince a broad audience of folks who aren't
adolescently-minded shlock-shock addicts to buy into the super-hero
habit"
4. The Amazing Spider-Man by Stan Lee & Steve Ditko (Marvel Masterworks #2, #11-19, Annual #1)
The superhero comic rarely concerns itself with everyday life. That's a fundamental aspect of its appeal to its hardcore fans, but it remains an overwhelming deterrent to the doubtful consumer. The superhero devotee is consumed with the process of second-guessing how next month's comics will play with the conventions of the sub-genre, longing to be surprised while desperate never to be too disconcerted. More of the same, but with the slightest of tweaking and the
promise of a re-set somewhere down the line, is the de facto contract
that the publishers have with what's left of their audience, meaning
that the super-book is all too often an endless, tiresome whirl of exhausted
cape'n'tights traditions, fascinating and comforting to the cultist, dull-headed and dead-hearted to everyone else.
Lee and Ditko's Spider-Man tales were, at their very best, anything other than a perpetual round of genre flirt'n'tease with the audience. Their run on Spider-Man didn't pander to any longing for power and escape, but rather focused on the unavoidable, inexorable responsibilities which advantage inevitably brings to those blessed and troubled by coinscience. Every apparent step forward made by high school nebbish Peter Parker leads to his accumulating ever-more irresolvable predicaments and inescapable duties. His arrogant failure as a newly super-powered teenager to prevent his foster-father's murder served as the moral cornerstone of the series, but Lee and Ditko's stories are studded with examples of the youthful Parker appearing to earn a significant measure of independence only to find that life has responded with a new influx of troubles. His job with the Daily Bugle may help his widowed Aunt pay the bills, but it relies on Parker providing the photographs which J Jonah Jameson can use to slander Spider-Man. His first stumbling steps towards adulthood bring him into a relationship with Betty Brant, yet she brings with her a distressed past and a loathing for Parker's alter-ego. No matter what Parker achieves or acquires by chance, he finds that he's even less freedom and significantly more concerns than he had before. In that, Lee and Ditko's work on the character provides us with the perfect superhero metaphor for adolescence.
No other super-book has ever caught the sense of perpetual crisis matched with the almost-psychedelic intensity of experience which characterises so much of mid-teen life. Lee and Ditko's crowded, swift-paced storytelling captures a world of almost-constant bafflement and crisis matched with occasional, and often illusionary, moments of extraordinary achievement. Those who've characterised the early Spider-Man as nothing but a costumed soap opera have confused its creator's methods with their achievement. Yes, Lee and Ditko presented their readers with a tragi-comic melodrama replete with quite-literally faint-hearted guardians and doomed-to-lose love affairs, but those plot-beats were used to create the most convincing of all superheroic depictions of two-steps-from-adulthood life. We care for this version of Peter Parker not just because he's a decent-hearted and lovable loser, but because his adolescent experiences evoke, in their own ridiculously exaggerated way, our own. His is a superhero story that's genuinely concerned with everyday life rather than the perpetuation of any mined-out, life-sidestepping fantasies.
5. Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane by Sean McKeever & Takeshi Miyazawa
Lee and Ditko's Amazing Spider-Man focused on a hyper-kinetic depiction of the frenzy and constant bafflement of adolescence. Forty years later, McKeever and Miyazawa reworked much of the same material, adding the character of Mary Jane Watson to the Spider-Man haunted Midtown High School while emphasising the claustrophobia and charm, longing and loneliness of teenage suburban life. Where Peter Parker's super-powers allowed him to regularly escape his hometown for Manhattan Island, Mary Jane's existence is one in which the supposedly remarkable is only seen as from the other end of the telescope. Occasionally Spider-Man is glimpsed leaping over the neighbourhood's rooftops, an inexplicable presence intruding into a life of coffee shops, classrooms and Saturday jobs. In that, he's a symbol of all the romance and danger which Mary Jane's day-to-day life can't possibly deliver, just as the initially ghostly presence of the socially-peripheral, perpetually-bullied Peter Parker suggests the possibility of the remarkable hiding in the plain sight of the mundane. Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane is a beautifully restrained and heartfelt evocation of the life of an uncertain young woman on the cusp of adulthood. Just as Lee and Ditko did, McKeever and Miyazawa put the figure of the superhero to use in the service of a story that's concerned with profoundly human, essentially typical experiences. It's a measure of how unimaginative Marvel can often be that there's never been a whisper in recent years of a television adaptation of the series. How better to reach out beyond the Rump?
6. Men Of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters & The Birth Of The Comic Book by Gerard Jones
By far the finest book ever written about the American comics industry, Jones's history is a relentlessly compelling and yet heartbreaking tale describing both the dreams which inspired the creators of the very first superheroes and the unmediated avarice of the gangsters and fellow travellers who fleeced them of their creations. For the purpose of this imaginary care package of super-books for the disinterested consumer, Men Of Tomorrow explains not just where the superhero comic came from, but also how intimately its development has been determined by the very anti-social values which the costumed crimefighter has always been designed to fictionally oppose. There is of course the possibility that anybody who's read Jones's work might swear off the very idea of ever reading a superhero tale, given how convincingly he establishes the despicable heartlessness which has so often characterised the management of the comics industry. Yet Men Of Tomorrow also captures the sense of wonder and irony-free moral conviction which so often suffused the sub-genre's products, and in that, it's a book which discusses the historical importance and cultural vitality of the superhero in its infancy as no other ever has. Not just a history of geeks and gangsters, but a vital investigation into how intimately the propagation of the Republic's values have repeatedly been tied up with the self-interest of the Republic's enemies.
to be concluded;
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Hello Colin,
ReplyDeleteGreat to see the Ditko-Lee Spider-Man represented! I agree that is one of the finest super-hero series ever published, but I wonder if the wordier amd tightier style of those classic books might not be frustrating to a contemporary casual reader. And you might have just given me the last push I needed to give Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane a shot!
Great stuff as usual Colin, can't wait to find out what your last three choices are! (I'd love to see Superman represented, but I trust your judgement)
Hello Guido-Vision:- It's a very good point you make about whether the modern-era reader could engage with the Lee/Ditko Spidey. I'm working from the conceit that my imaginary recipient of my imaginary care-package of super-books has enjoyed the first 3 comics in the pile and can therefore make the jump to the old ASMs. It's all ifs and buts, of course, but that's the way I'm imagining things :) And I think the strength of the underlying metaphor of adolescence could well appeal under such circumstances.
DeleteOh, give the first two hb collections of Spider-Man loves Mary Jane a go if you can find copies which are affordable to you! I'm a huge fan. As with Lee and Ditko, the soap opera is put to very good use, and seeing the Spider-Man story from the POV of his school-mates is fascinating.
I'm unsure if there'll be a Superman issue in the last three books. I have, after a fashion, worried about that; after all, IT'S SUPERMAN. Perhaps it might help me tighten up my thinking if I wrote a piece on why I didn't choose some of the obvious options.
Thanks for the kind words!
Oh, I'd love to read that article, as I think it would be enlightening to hear more of your thoughts about why books such as Watchmen aren't a good starter for non-comics readers. I'd argue, as you might also, that the book only really works to its highest potential when you're familiar with all the usual tropes and patterns of superhero comics. Which is why I'm still confused by Time having it as one of their greatest 20th century novels. Not that it's not good, of course... DC and Time magazine having the same parent company had no influence, I'm sure.
DeleteHello Brian:- I suspect that I will have a go at such a piece towards the end of next week, so thank you for the encouragment. I think you're abolutely right to argue that Watchman, for all its undoubted quality, works best as meta, and for meta to work, the source inspiration really needs to be understood too. I'm sure that there are thousands upon thousands of folks who've read the book as a one-off experience and enjoyed doing so, but I'd still prefer to hand over something less dense and demanding as a first read.
DeleteAnd I'm with you about its presence on the list of the greatest 20th century novels. I suspect that that's a reflection of its critical standing and influence as much as a reflection of the text itself.
Undue influence from a corporate overlord? Surely such things never happen ... :)
Even though I agree with both of you that Watchmen is probably not the ideal super-hero book for a novice -And, great as it is, I feel it it a tad overrated-, I'd like to play devil's advocate for a moment and point out that Don Quixote, one of the greatest novels of all time, is a deconstruction of the medieval romance. I doubt many of its contemporary readers are familiar with those!
DeleteHello Guido-Vision:- A good and fair point about Don Quixote, and one I'll have to rely on your knowledge to put you right, for I always believed that literacy and a great deal of the access to texts such as Quixote was limited to literate classes who were very much aware of the craze at the time - if I can use such an anachronistic term - for romances. In fact, my understanding is that a great deal of the book's success lay in the fact that it was a satire of a powerful and well-known tradition. Having seen how often my understanding proves to be far more about the word "my" and far less about the word "understanding", I'll need to rely on you to help me out.
DeleteOh dear! I think my reply was deleted, so I'll try to be brief!
DeleteMy perspective might be skewed since I'm from a Spanish-speaking country (Mexico) where Don Quixote is still a fairly popular book. I'm sure that the ubiquity of romances was a major component of Don Quixote's original popularity, and a big deal for academics to this day. But I also know that many contemporary readers of Don Quixote have not experienced those romances first-hand, even though the may have a knowledge of the basic elements (knights, damsels in distress, etc.)
In a similar sense, I was wondering if someone who only has a passing knowledge of super-hero lore could not enjoy Watchmen for the work itself, even if he didn't get some of the references or subtext. I'm just speculating, by the way, though it would be interesting to ask a friend who wasn't familiar with super-heroes to read it and learn his opinion.
Well, it was not that brief. At least I hope I wasn't rambling too much! Thanks a lot for taking the tiem to reply Colin. It its grat to have these kind of conversations, and having to think through my arguments is a great exercise!
Cheers!
Hello Guido-Vision:- I'm sorry you've had your words go missing. I do assure you it had nothing to do with me. There's nothing in the spam or anything, I'm afraid; Blogger can be very frustrating at times.
DeleteActually, my wife read Watchmen just a month or two ago. She quite enjoyed it, though it wasn't an entirely welcoming experience to the "outsider". I must ask her about the meta aspect of it all.
Thanks for the clarification about Don Quixote. Of course, you're quite right in what you suggest. And you'd certainly know far more about the work being engaged with by non-specialists, if I can use that term. Here it's pretty much only read by English students. The English have never been very interested in other people's literature, which is a considerable shame.
No rambling can be perceived at all, my good man. I hope the evening finds you well.
Been lurking here for a few weeks since that Wonder Woman post (fantastic blog, by the way!), but I had to chime in and wholeheartedly agree with your choice and analysis of the Lee/Ditko Spider-man. I recently re-read the entire run about 2 years ago, and I think these stories stand the test of time far better than anything else from Marvel in the early 1960s. Obviously, certain aspects are dated, but overall I found that the stories are still somehow fresh and relevant.
ReplyDeleteHello Edo;- Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for popping in to the blog.
DeleteIt's always good to hear that those Lee and Ditko Spidey stories retain their value, despite all the years that have passed since they were first published. I'm always ready to be accussed of being a nostalgia-monger when I made a case for such old comics, but I've never thought that the age of a work of art - if I can use that phrase - has anything to do with its value. As you say, certain aspects havec inevitably dated, but those tales are for the most part simply brilliant. I wish there were more creators who were determined to try to adapt that manic, smart, story-packed approach to some of today's super-books.
I never read Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane or Man of Tomorrow, but you absolutely nailed it with the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man -- and maybe that's why the book has been foundering for so long. No longer is Peter at that crossroads between boy and man, where the new freedoms come with new perils and new choices to make.
ReplyDeleteI'd recommend the current writers and editors of the Spider-Man books (maybe all the writers and editors at Marvel and DC both) read your breakdown on it, because it really is just perfect. It cuts to the heart of the appeal of those stories, and also is equally applicable to the problems with most of today's stories. They AREN'T relatable.
I touted the Dark Phoenix Saga before. It (and the arc Claremont wove ever since UXM #101) could be distilled down to 'power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.'
You show the distillation of Spider-Man, about growing up and seeing that there are new problems and challenges that emerge to replace the old ones.
Are any of the new books relatable? Do they have an easily-distilled message or core? I mean, aside from good defeats evil (and sometimes not even that)?
I mean, Watchmen, Batman: Year One, All-Star Superman (just to name a few), they all had something to them besides pretty art on the page and cool word balloons. Even less weighty but still entertaining fare (IMHO) like the bwa-ha-ha JLI or the first few arcs of Claremont's New Mutants had things you could relate to in some respect ...
Wow, that'a a LOT for me to ponder.
Thanks for posting! Take it and run,
Hello Earl:- There's alot to admire in the modern-era Spidey books, but, as I know I've written about here before, it's not the Spider-Man which I feel works best for the character. Yet the commercial realities of today's Peter Parker mitigate against any return to the original strip; Spidey has to be a grown up, has to be an Avenger, etc etc. It's a tough gig, isn't it? I admire what's being done, though I'm rarely moved by it anymore.
DeleteYour comments certainly make me think once more how alienating I find the book's current status quo. I just can't relate to the geek-genius labs where Pete works; I can't find anything in my own experience which comes close to it, even on the metaphorical level. As in so many other aspects of today's Spidey, the character seems to slipped into an existence which it's hard to relate to.
I have been moved by things I've read in Slott and Waid's tales, even though, yes, I agree about the issue of, as you call it, relatability :) Peter's sadness in the crossover with Daredevil was particularly well-played and touching. It's not that the craftmanship and effort are in any way lacking. It's just - in my opinion - that the underlying metaphor of the set-up is working.
But I ought to say that I know of a great number of folks who have a far higher opinion of the books than I have. Horses for courses, of course.
Oh wow. That IS a wonderful description. "Beautifully restrained" I like that! So much so that I'm wondering briefly out of lurking around these interesting articles of yours to comment on that. Hello!
ReplyDeleteBut yes, that's very true of S-MLMJ and I do like it because there is an art in knowing where to keep things, isn't there? If that description makes any sense. A TV adaption would be a wonderful thing. Throw in the likes of Astro City and the Jack Staff method of storytelling (assuming these ideas could translate AND find their own identity in the other medium) and there may be a whole new genre of animated and live action super hero storytelling waiting to be found.
"Spider-Man haunted high school", that's another good one. Have you managed to catch the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series? I can't recommend it enough and if I ever do comment again it's most likely going to involve drawing some kind of comparison between your current subject and one of the various animated adaptions. I’ll always love comics, but it’s an interesting area in its own right and recently it’s show a lot more willingness to actually explore and (best of all) experiment with the idea of…everything usually than either of the big two. Or at least, that’s what I think. There’s certainly more of an understanding of the need to reach out beyond the Rump. (How do you come up with these?)
But to get back on track, Spectacular is slightly similar in that while Peter may be the main character he’s not the ONLY character. The show manages to rather consistently and casually show, or hint, that there’s a world beyond Peter Parker. Everybody’s a person! Girl’s too! Bruce Timm’s animated Batman manages that as well, focus episodes on Harley Quinn, Robin and Batgirl, even an ordinary person who has to live in a world of Batmen and Jokers. Superhero stories not about the superhero? Can you imagine?!
It’s interesting way to go about things though, as I’m fairly sure you’ve mentioned. Really, what better way to learn something fundamental about a superhero or any comic (such as would you give it a try again?) than seeing things from the point of view of someone who’s as lost or new to it all as you are? Worked for me as a kid, and all I had to do was watch some cartoons and find out where they sold the things. Doesn’t that sound like fun?
-Simon
Hello Simon:- It's a pleasure to be swapping ideas with you. And I agree with you that there's a great deal of material which is just waiting to be adapted and presented to the world beyond the Rump. (The budget for a great deal of Astro City's published tales would defy adapting, and yet I can imagine that with some careful pruning, the basic sense of the series could be transfered to the screen. I've a picture in my mind of the buses heading downhill to the city centre in the morning under the watchful gaze of the Hanged Man, for example, which could work very well. I'd like to see that series on HBO or the like.)
DeleteI've not seen the new Spectacular Spider-Man series. To my knowledge, its not been shown over this side of the pond yet. But I would love it to be something which I can feel similarly positive about. I'm actually really keen to be able to say some thoroughly positive words about BMB's work again, so fingers crossed for SSM. You make it sound like a very interesting prospect indeed. Huzzah! I would love to find that it's of a comparable quality to the BAS episodes, even as it'll inevitably be a very different beast.
I can only agree about the need for p.o.v. characters in super-books. Often the least knowledgable individuals in superhero tales are still hard for the reader to sympathise with. They may be outsiders in the world they're living in, but they tend to have grown up in situations which are in themselves strange and rather wonderful. They're used to superheroes and rarely shocked as we might be by the absurd and the remarkable things which they encounter. Yet when the card is well-played, it can produce a cornerstone for a strip which really grounds the reader's experience. Kitty Pryde in the X-Men is one of the best examples of that, of course. Under Claremont and Byrne, she was "our" representative in the X-Mansion, and Whedon cleverly recaptured a great deal of that for the adult Kitty in his run decades later too. I've no dount at all that that's why so many of us feel such a fondness for her character. As far as super-people go, she's neither visually distinctive nor particularly powerful. But then, if those two qualities of themselves led to compelling characters, the super-worlds would be neck-deep in them.
Just to clarify: The Spectacular Spider-man series Anon. is talking about came out a few years ago and lasted -I think- a couple of seasons. The series Brian Michael Bendis is involved with is called Ultimate Spider-Man, and is not out yet. I'm a little wary of it, though, because apparently it will feature a teenage Spidey working for a version of Shield led by the Sam Jackson iteration of Nick Fury. It might be great in the end, but so far its giving me a strong Corporate Disney vibe.
DeleteI'm on this side of the pond actually, Colin. Oop North as a matter of fact, and that Hanging Man image strikes an interesting cord when you think of his as some sort of eldritch Angel of the North. That would have made commutes to the Metrocentre more interesting! Or maybe it wouldn't if he'd always been there and that may be part of the point.
DeleteRegarding Spectacular Spider-Man I can confirm that it was released over here but was sadly a victim of Disney/Marvel merger realpolitik. It was produced by Sony and in a rather understandable bid to hold on to the more lucrative film rights they offered the TV rights to Disney, effectively giving them back to Marvel. Unfortunately they owned the Spectacular material and who'd pay a rival to keep producing a show when you just got everything they'd need to make their own?
Spectacular's DVD release over here was rather limited, but it should still be available on iTunes or something. In better news producer Greg Weisman (my favourite writer in this field) was almost instantly contacted by Warner Bros. and is now working on a second season of Young Justice while Disney and Marvel have offered up Ultimate Spider-Man, both borrowing their sources name but not the content. Everybody's experimenting and everybody’s working!
Bendis is involved in Ultimate somehow (either actual writing or as a creative consultant or some other title which is presumably code for Being Lucky Enough To Helps Make Cartoons For A Living) and Weisman once said that in terms of adapting source material if he saw a good idea from any of the comics or movies, including Ultimate, he was perfectly willing to steal it. It’s probably a safe thing to say that even a bad idea can work if you tweak it enough but what makes some of these adaptions interesting is seeing them do that and wondering if maybe comics now ARE filled with good ideas just waiting for the right mindset to come along and tweak them just right. Weaving different things together has always proven to be interesting, at any rate.
I can’t agree more about Kitty Pryde. When the action wasn’t going on she helped make the Xavier institute feel normal despite being a mansion by (for a while) being the only cast member other than Xavier himself seen in regular clothing. You could say she maybe brought back that side of the X-Men where everyone just hung around the mansion doing nothing in particular, out of costumes, reading, doing gardening, cooking, watching TV. That warm, familial side that I don’t think Utopia’s ever quite managed to capture.
Although the X-Men set in San Francisco is such an
obvious and wonderful idea that you have to wonder if the next cartoon may seriously be considering relocating the Xavier institute and those feelings to somewhere with a bit more sun.
-Simon
Hello Guido:- Thank you for the clarification. I guess it's a good job that I always try to sign up my lack of expertise, just as I appreciate the good will of folks such as yourself in putting me right. Thanks :)
DeleteHello Simon:- My apologies for assuming you were States-side. Having gotten the wrong end of the stick re: the Spider-Man series, I assumed that you must be in the Republic and thereby able to see something of the new series.
DeleteI do like the idea of a British comic using the Angel Of The North in such a way! There’s surely some bright spark who can bring such ideas to life on the page. Can I interest your good self in the task?
“Spectacular's DVD release over here was rather limited, but it should still be available on iTunes or something.”
I’ve heard good things in a few places over the past 24 hours about the series. I’m sure I’ll be able to find it. Thank you for the advice/
“In better news producer Greg Weisman (my favourite writer in this field) was almost instantly contacted by Warner Bros. and is now working on a second season of Young Justice while Disney and Marvel have offered up Ultimate Spider-Man, both borrowing their sources name but not the content. Everybody's experimenting and everybody’s working!”
I wonder if you know where – or whether – Young Justice has aired over here. I’ve drawn a consistent blank, but that’s probably my ineptness with a search engine and key phrase.
“I can’t agree more about Kitty Pryde. When the action wasn’t going on she helped make the Xavier institute feel normal despite being a mansion by (for a while) being the only cast member other than Xavier himself seen in regular clothing. You could say she maybe brought back that side of the X-Men where everyone just hung around the mansion doing nothing in particular, out of costumes, reading, doing gardening, cooking, watching TV. That warm, familial side that I don’t think Utopia’s ever quite managed to capture.”
I agree with you that Utopia has tended to feel like a very cool place. Exceptions to that are few and far between in my reading, though I can’t swear to have read enough to make any sweeping statements. I will say that I was greatly relieved to see the scene on the beach between Subby, Peter and Kitty about 6 months ago; it was well written and gave me the idea that the characters existed in the framework of a community rather than a strategic alliance. Mind you, I perfectly understand why Marvel might have preferred to keep Utopia as an embattled outpost, if that was ever the intention. But a touch more cheer in all that grimness might have helped.
Even the sun you mentioned didn’t seem to help, though if my own memory of San Francisco is of any value, it’s not the warmest place in the world. Yet mutant-filled islands in sunnier climes haven’t fared so well, if memory serves …
I haven't had satellite TV for about a year now, but when Young Justice does come (I can't find anything saying it's here yet either but delays are common)it's a safe bet that it will be broadcast on Cartoon Network as with just about every other Warners/DC show so far. They may be saving it until the new Green Lantern animated series being broadacast along side it in the States has some legs and a few more episodes so they can properly run side by side here. I've enjoyed what I've seen of that so far too, and as an interesting bit of trivia Spectacular Spidey's voice actor Josh Keaton portrays Hal Jordan while his former boss Weisman manages YJ. It's a small world!
DeleteHello there;- I do keep checking the Cartoon Network listings, but no luck so far. I've always been pleased to pick up Teen Titans, JLU and Brave and the Bold episodes there. I'm looking forward to what's coming, though I'd prefer it to hurry up :)
DeleteColin: Love your choices so far. I'm enjoying the anticipation of what else might be on the list. Commentators on your previous installment asked "Why bother?" but I think its time well spent. Underneath its encrustation of barnacles, the superhero story has beautiful lines and is still capable of epic journeys into new waters.
ReplyDeleteSeveral years ago I interested my preliterate daughter in reading the same way I had been interested myself as a child: through exposure to comics. Of course most mainstream books on the racks weren't appropriate, not only because of their sex/violence content but also because of their high dependence on continuity. So I went with the old--archives of classic Spidey and FF from Marvel and Supergirl and the Legion from DC--and the (then) new: Teen Titans Go!; Leave It to Chance; some Astro City. It worked; she's 11, loves to read, and still loves comics too.
Those John Forte and Curt Swan-illustrated Legion stories gripped her imagination as much as they gripped mine 40 years earlier (yours too--yeah, I've been hanging here long enough to remember those posts). But for your current task, I'd suggest some of the non-mainstream superhero books that, if only because of their relatively recent vintage, can't be as laden with continuity as their DC and Marvel counterparts. Astro City shows its love of silver-age comics on every page--but you don't have to know that the First Family is inspired by Marvel's FF to enjoy watching young Astra run away to play hopscotch with normal kids. Nexus, Atomic Robo and others would also fit the bill.
As i said, I look forward to what else will be on your list. It's a sunny afternoon here in Michigan, and outside my window, every tree is again green. I hope your own Friday is as lovely.
mikesensei
Hello Mike;- I do enjoy hearing your occasional wether reports from the far-off land of Michigan. I fear that we here in the wind-shaped East of England are undergoing a wet, bleak retreat from Spring, with the days being marked by granite-coloured, granite-heavy rainclouds. Still, just two weeks ago, it was warm enough to sit outside in the sun in shirt-sleeves, so complaining would be unfair ...
DeleteYou express the barnacle-less reality of the super-book in a way that I can only entirely agree with. It's only one sub-genre amongst many, and I would never want the super-book to eat up anything more a fraction of my reading time. There's so much out there to enjoy. But that doesn't mean that I don't love these books and that I wouldn't welcome a host of really good costumed-character books. I neither want to spend my life ignoring or obsessing about super-books, but those who do hold to one or other of those positions do tend to feel strongly about folks with less polarised opinions. And that's perfectly cool, of course. Everyone who diagreed on the previous point was perfectly civil. But when it comes to the all-chips/no-chips debate, I opt for some-chips as my choice.
I absolutely LOVE the idea that your daughter was entranced by the Forte/Swan LSH tales. I can't help but feel that that's an incredibly rich, imaginative, inspiring motherlode to connect a young woman up with. As you know, I came to Forte far too late to enjoy the benefit of his workl when young. (You're right; those blog pieces were 2 years ago. I'm into my last year on the blog, since the plan tended to always be 3 years and/or 10 000 hours of writing. It feels very odd to think there can be a two years ago on the blog. Still, I'm pleased to think that we've crossed paths here every once in a while :))
And the unjustly forgotten Leave It To Chance too!! Ah, I must hunt that out. What a terrific comics education your daughter must be having, since it sounds like the process is still underway.
One of the things that I most enjoy about Astro City is the business you refer to about the characters in it being distinct from their inspirations. You don't have to know where the ideas came from to enjoy the book, and I rather tend to prefer the characters who seem furthest away from any particular, distinct source. Atomic Robo is a title which I really MUST check out, mind you. I keep meaning too, I really do.
I hope spring is continuing its progress over on your side of the world. Perhaps it might return back here too in a day or two of rain. (We're already in emergency water measures in the East Of England. There's hose-pipe bans in force even now. Strange place, this 2012 ...)
I haven't read Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, though my niece is a fan. I have read other comics by Sean, such as The Waiting Place, in which he eloquently details the unique struggles of adolescence. So I have no doubt that SMLMJ is worth reading.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of The Waiting Place, might that not be a more effective, sort of "back door" method to getting non-super-hero readers interested in the genre. Give them The Waiting Place, then say, "If you liked that, then you should read this" and give them Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane.
By the way, I hope I don't sound too presumptuous in referring to Mr. McKeever by his first name, but I am personally aquainted with him. We both frequent the same comic shop here in Columbus, OH.
Hello Ray:- I fear I don't know The Waiting Place,though I have just nipped off to Google it. As such, I'm perfectly content to take your word that it'd be a good gateway piece for would-be comics readers. The above list was concerned only with superhero books, simply because I was thinking about the difficulties of selling the sub-genre to "outsiders". A list of comics which might be generally appealling would be a fascinating thing to tilt at, though the problem there would be more what to leave out rather than what could be found to include, as was true here. I'm certainly curious to go check out The Waiting Place here.
DeleteI very much like the picture of Mr McKeever and your good self frequenting the same comic shop. There's something heartening about the idea of a esteemed creator you can nod to as you pass with a "Hi Sean". Several commentors from Columbus have mentioned shops in the city where they buy comics. I'm building a picture in my head of Columbus as the most splendid comics-buying destination across the other side of the Pond.
Colin,
ReplyDeleteI'm constantly in awe of how much the Lee-Ditko team put into each issue of ASM, and how I can go back and discover something new each time I revisit their run. As you noted so eloquently, this series was about something: not just colorful villains and dramatic battles, but characters. It also featured an ensemble cast that was unequalled. Ditko thought everything out in plotting many of the stories, and his ability to weave so many elements into a 20 page story was met by Stan Lee's ability to capture characterization with his verbiage. Lee did not skimp on copy, and these issues were thick with both visuals and wordplay. For me, the grounding element of the strip was Peter Parker and his struggles to survive in an often hostile and overwhelming world, and the Lee-Ditko team balanced it all with a mix of humor and absurdity. While there have been many that have copied its premise, I don't think anyone has equalled its humanity.
Hello Nick;- Those too-few Lee-Ditko issues are endlessly inspiring, aren't they? I enjoy them as I do, for examples, The Beatles; I'm always entertained, I'm always inspired, and yet I'm always absolutely baffled. Even when it comes down to the tiny details, there's always the question "How did they DO that?"
DeleteI agree with everything you say about the strip and its pleasures. It certainly helps to realise that though many folks have attempted to copy A-SM, few have ever realised how the story actually works. It's easy to tap into the idea of the unhappy, fundamentally decent outsider, but that's just an aspect of how the A-SM strips work. Those stories are exceptionally complex even as they appear to be relatively straight-forward. We've all seen a considerable number number of teenager-in-high-school tales, for example, which draw off A-SM, but they tend to miss a great deal of what was going on beneath the surface of the Lee/Ditko tales.
Or so it seems to me ....