Saturday, 5 May 2012
The 12 Greatest Super-Heroines Ever (1) Elastigirl
Elastigirl (Helen Parr)
The Incredibles sometimes seems to be a remarkable example of heretical, paradigm-shifting forteana, evidence of truths which few in the superhero industry want to privately or publicly acknowledge. It stands like E=MC2 in the face of the theory of Ether, like the arrival of The Beatles when apparently "guitar groups are on the way out, Mr Epstein". Just about every sacred truth held by the Rumpish Flakkers of the cult'o'fanboy is contradicted by the artistic and commercial success of The Incredibles, and yet, despite that, the entrenched industry-killing prejudices and the miscalculations drawn from them career onwards. There's no place for adults in the superhero tale? Or stable romantic relationships? Or families with children, or tales grounded in anything other than adolescent entitlement and blokeish power fantasies? But what about The Incredibles? And why has so little of The Incredibles ever filtered through to the pages of the sub-genre which inspired it?
In particular, where are the strong, human, grounded-in-everyday-life superheroines following in the wake of the entirely inspiring Elastigirl?
As we've discussed so many times before, the only time to feel concerned that a woman's being depicted as a wife and mother is when that's all a woman's ever allowed to be. An idiot from either the ergh-girls or the domesticity=patriarchy tendencies might choose to sneer at Elastigirl's role as contented, committed housewife. But then, both choruses are populated by little more than blind-minds in the first place. Inhabiting a culture which constantly bombards us with reactionary and yet often hyper-sexualised representations of women, it's regrettably easy to assume that female characters informed by traditional roles implicitly embody regressive thinking. As such, the misogynist simply assumes that their own occluded world-view is being reflected and complacently stop asking questions, while those associating XY chromosomes with Bloke-Babylon jump to the presumption that misogyny is inevitably being perpetuated. Yet Helen Parr is quite clearly the star and neither the doormat nor the victim of The Incredibles. A jaw-breaker with her elongated fists, a skilled pilot and a super-acrobat, she's an unmistakably adult woman who can spat and scrap with the best of them. She's clearly chosen her own path in life within the constraints of the Superhero Protection Programme, just as she was every bit the equal - if not the superior - of the costumed super-guys she associated with before anonymity and inaction was imposed upon her kind by the state. Just because she's not her family's breadwinner doesn't mean that she's anything other than the most authoritative of its members. It's Elastigirl, after all, who comes to the rescue of her husband when he's managed to get himself imprisoned, it's Elastigirl who saves her children when their plane is blown out of the sky, and its Elastigirl who takes charge and prevents the none-too-bright Mr Incredible from indulging in potentially-fatal macho-grandstanding at the tale's climax. Though she's as capable as any of us are of being swallowed up by anxiety and indecision when her marriage appears to be crumbling, there's ultimately nothing that's depressingly passive and dependent about Elastigirl.
Whether the family-as-superheroes set-up is seen as a metaphor for the mid-life crisis or the debate about private versus public responsibility, whether it's ultimately an expression of Mom-stay-at-home chauvinism or you-can-have-it-all feminism, the fact is that The Incredibles draws a great deal of its power and appeal from an engagement with real-world issues grounded in recognisable human experiences. In that, Elastigirl's not just an invigoratingly compelling character, but also the clearest example that the superhero sub-genre can be used to discuss the broadest range of social situations, including even the most apparently unremarkable and everyday of debates. Yet where does the super-book touch upon any such issues with any such lightness of touch and spirit of sheer good fun? There's a hint of the same in Hickman's Fantastic Four, while there's a great deal more of a similar substance in Simone's Welcome To Tranquilly. Elsewhere the reader struggles to recognise anything of the situations and issues put to use in The Incredibles at all, unless it's to recognise the likes of the murdered-by-superheroine husband in Birds Of Prey or the apparently centuries worth of dead male baby bodies in Wonder Woman. The family is typically a source of at best frustration and at worse trauma in the super-book, while mothers are either burdens to be supported, jailers to be escaped or ghosts to faux-tragically mourn and avenge. Whatever the strengths and limitations of its politics, the family metaphor at the heart of the Incredibles generates powerful emotions and stimulates fundamental questions, whereas so much of the sub-genre's traditional fare works to narrow down the same to a safe, unthreatening, bloke-exciting blur of grit'n'grind'n'bloodlust.
Even the fact that Elastigirl's absurdly idealised and yet patently free from objectivisation is both a relief and an inspiration. That women as strong and individual as Elastigirl are almost entirely absent from the super-verses of 2012 is more than a considerable shame. It is, although the very word will strike many as nought but hyperbole, a scandal. After all, we can hardly argue that Helen Parr's anything other than an entirely unchallenging if engaging representation of a typical middle-aged individual. As laudable as she is as a character, she hardly represents what we might think of as a radical view of femininity and age, and yet, in the mass of costumed crimefighter books, her like's often far too daring a take to even appear on the page. Too "old", too mature, too unlike a 14 year old boy's vision of a Sue-Storm-hot soccer mom, too suburban, too strong, too challengingly grounded in everyday experience, too willing to express emotion and reason alike, too willful and yet too maternal, too contrary. Too worryingly threatening and contaminating, it would seem, as ridiculous as the very idea surely is in this, the second decade of the 21st century.
Though the reports appear to vary a touch, they all seem to agree that The Incredibles grossed more than $630 000 000 in just the first six months of its release in 2004. What a shame that the super-book as it stands typically struggles to produce more than two dozen or so monthly titles topping even 50 000 sales each, with few of them ever discussing anything more moving and substantial than which-bloke-punched-who and how-much-blood was spilt?
So, once again, why it is that the super-book sells to so few people?
The "12 Greatest Super-Heroines Ever" pieces, which will run on an occasional basis for a while, will of course include a significant number of super-women for whom domestic life would be as unwelcome as it'd be entirely inappropriate.
nb: Son Of Baldwin makes a pertinent point about the very name "Elastigirl" in the comments below which I ought to have done and didn't. I'm kicking myself about that, but at least he nailed what I should have mentioned. Mea culpa.
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It's a shame it took this long to have a conversation about the Incredibles that didn't immediately degenerate into nonsense like "It's an Ayn Rand-a-thon" almost immediately. Perhaps if folks had been a bit more observant and not been so eager to grind the axe of Obectivism, a more detailed look at the movie would have borne some thought and some fruit.
ReplyDeleteI really like your analysis of Elasti-Girl's character. We really don't see that many properly active super-hero mothers . . .it always seems like having a child either sidelines the character or the baby is born with a bulls-eye on its head.
But she got to be cool in the movie, I thought. She was a stretchy character who didn't use the same moves we've seen all the stretchy characters do in comics (it was pretty slick seeing her slingshot the manhole cover at the robot)
For a movie that used a lot of generalised archetypes, I thought they did a great job of making it feel classic and yet fresh at the same time.
Hello Kazekage:- it's not that I can't see the case for labeling The Incredibles as reactionary pish, or indeed liberating radicalism. My feeling is that its meaning just isn't fixed in that way, and obviously you feel the same too :) There's a great deal of material there which can be read in a very progressive way too, and I like those contradictions. I do get deeply worried about some aspects of radical analysis associating what - for the sake of shorthand here - the middle-class nuclear family with patriarchy. Can it be part of that system? Yep. Does it have to be? No, and I admire both my friends who've chosen such roles and those who've reject them.
DeleteI'm with you on the "cool" aspect of Elasti-Girl. I'm baffled how she can't be seen as the coolest of super-women. The other choices I've got in this series range from all over the political agenda, and I didn't want to suggest that whoever came first was standing as an exemplar of what a super-heroine is to me in terms of one fixed political identity. But by the same token, there's nothing in my beliefs which gives me the slightest reason to believe that the nuclear family composed of traditional roles is by its very essence a very bad thing indeed. I've seen horror stories, I've seen triumphs. And I guess that was something of what I was reaching for.
I don't think I expressed myself nearly well enough, but from the comments so far, I'm glad to note that folks have been generous in recognising the basic point, no matter how badly argued. Gawd bless those folks kind enough to pop over in a dead moment or two, I say, and say it with all sincerity too :)
It doesn't mean that The Incredibles is without problems. But it's a debate that the film inspires, not a sentence of unworthiness. Or so I believe ...
It would be silly to say that comics are the same as movies, Colin, so why would you want to emulate the example of a different medium entirely? Yes, I know that they get movie people to write their comics these days, and make a big deal of this when it happens, and they copy designs and scenarios from movies all the time, and latterly even take panels from the next issue to use as a mini-trailer/"stay tuned for scenes from next week's episode" trailer like what they do on tv... and erm... oh damn.
ReplyDeleteI forget what my original point was, but that's okay, it likely didn't hold water under any kind of logical scrutiny anyway. Probably sounded great as a soundbite, though.
Hello Brigonos:- Well, I should've made myself clearer, Mr B. I'm not suggesting that movies are the same as comics, but I am suggesting that the thematic motherlode which The Incredibles tapped into should be mined by the superbook too. What's remarkable is that - exactly as you say! - there's loads of folks writing comics who've made their names in film and TV, and yet few of them seem able to tap into the kind of material which The Incredibles did. Allan Heinberg's Young Avengers title certainly did that, but he's an exception.
DeleteHaving chatted briefly with you about this week in passing, I do hope everything's going as spiffly as it might be.
I once reviewed the film for Heroine Content. I don't think we're too far apart. I find it interesting that this character, who is not really a groundbreaking feminist fantasy, is still an absolute rarity in comics (or, let's face it, Hollywood films) is incredible, indeed. Shows how much the 13-year-old-boy is being catered to, as if that was either the most discerning demographic or the one with the most money to spend. I provide a lInk to the review for interested parties...
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Hello Patrick:- And bless you, I share your amazement that a figure such as Elastigirl should be too radical for most super-books, and in so many different ways too. Thank you for the link, I think folks would certainly enjoy your piece, and I've of course focused not only a far narrower range of issues, but put them to use to fit my own agenda as well! My feelings - and they can easily be countered if not flattened by the evidence - is that both Elastigirl and Mr Incredible are BOTH crushed to a degree by assuming entirely segregated gender roles, and both character's success in the movie comes from them embracing both their private and their public responsibilities. In that, Elastigirl seems to me to be the tale's protagonist, even though Mr Incredible is indeed the solo lead of the movie for a large, large chunk of the screen time. To me - subjective warning issued! - she's the one who comes to understand that they've got to move from entirely separate, entirely isolated roles first, although I suspect that that might be because I'm simply more charmed by her, more interested by her character and behaviour.
DeleteI enjoyed the way you discussed the contradictions in the movie. I'd never suggest it was an unproblematical text in any way. An exceptionally enjoyable one, of course, and one which kicks off a whole range of interesting questions. I think it's great :)
I agree, and to the point of Brigonos above: if this is not the best Fantastic Four film around, then what is? Also, look at Brad Bird's Iron Giant to see him tap into Superman. These films tap into the same well as comics do, only Bird takes out fresh water while most people seem content to scrape the muck from the bottom.
DeleteHow's that for a stretched metaphor?
Hello Patrick:- Stretched metaphors are sometimes compelling. My just-woke-up mind had an urge to link the very idea of their stretched selves to Elastigirl. Quiet, brain, quiet.
DeleteI must dig out the Iron Giant again in the light of our swapping of words here.
Sadly, you're right about the scraping of muck from the bottom. Hurran for those relatively few but exceedingly welcome creators who aspire to more substantial work.
Great idea for a series, and Elast-Girl is a perfect superheroine to start it off. I will note that John Rogers' recent Blue Beetle series was one where the hero's family was a constant source of strength, not of trauma or frustration.
ReplyDeleteHello Rob:- Thank you. I appreciate your generous words, I've been very nervous about this piece and the politics that I was trying to put clearly without disappearing into jargon or over-simplification. I don't think I cracked it, but I'm glad the idea still comes across as an interesting one.
DeleteThe Rogers Blue Beetle series was indeed one of the exceptions to the rule, and I believe that Giffen's work at the series launch also helped set that tone. It's remarkable how rare such things are in the super-book, isn't it? I think of Keiron Gillen's recent story of Mrs and Mr Volstagg's family in Journey Into Mystery, for example, and I'm shocked that such decent-hearted and inspiring tales are so rare.
A round of applause Mr. Smith!
ReplyDeleteIf you had to sum up someone's personality or role in one scene (Don't know why you would, but if you HAD to) I think the winning scene for Helen is that moment in the living room during the argument about Dash. Bob's towering over her and her neck keeps growing with each word of "This is NOT! ABOUT! YOU!" until the positions have been reversed. According to the commentary track that was the idea that made Brad Bird (or somebody on the production team) comfortable with the idea of a super powered man yelling at his wife.
-Simon
Hello Simon:- Thank you :) There's a great deal of the old, and endlessly wonderful Screwball Comedies, about much of The Incredibles, isn't there? That's something else which I would have discussed have I had a touch more time, but now it's in the "one-day-I'll-write-about-this" pile. And in that tradition, it's not size but smarts which win out just about every time. Elastigirl can not only stand up to her hubby, but run rings round him. (I almost said she's too good for him, but then a little, it's-one-o'clock-and-I-must-sleep voice said "But they love each other and they're good for each other"! Which closes the argument until the urgh-girls crowd and the chorus from the domesticity=patriarchy arrive ..)
DeleteI must go back and listen to the commentary again. It's been years ... Thank you for reminding me to do so.
Screwball comedies eh....now I want to see someone do a CGI mock-up of Katherine Hepburn as a superhero.
DeleteSomeone get on that.
Excellent piece good sir.
Hello Emmet:- Thank you :) And a new "Hepburn/Tracey" screwball comedy would surely be a thing to anticipate, long-underwear or not, as long as the likes of Pixar were behind the project.
DeleteWhether most of the super-book industry has the wit to aspire to the likes of It Happened One Night or The Philadelphia Story is another story. Most folks do aim low.
Actually have you been reading Supurbia? It's out from Boom! and is written by Grace Randolph. So far I'm impressed. It's picked up the ball from Welcome to Tranquility to a degree.
DeleteHello Emmert;- I followed the link you kindly sent on Twitter, and I'm throughly interested in Supurbia. We do live in a Golden Age of sorts, don't we? There's more of quality than anyone can ever enjoy their way through.
DeleteThanks for the nudge, Mr E :)
I've always been perplexed by the genre's desire to refer to women as "girls." It seems a holdover from some imaginary golden age of history when women were infantilized in an effort to remind them or their secondary position in patriarchal hierarchy.
ReplyDeleteI hear a lot of defenders of this practice say things like, "But Elasti-Woman sounds funny," as if "Elasti-Girl" was poetry. LOL!
But I disgress.
I enjoyed THE INCREDIBLES and loved Elasti-Girl. But I wish I had the luxury of "looking past" or "being more observant" or ignoring things like the immensely stereotypical and highly offensive portrayal of Frozone's wife. They didn't even have the decency to show her face. Perhaps that was for the best.
In any event, Colin, I love this analysis and I adore this site. Please don't ever stop.
Hello Son Of Baldwin:- You raise the most serious of points and make me worry about a decision I made to try to limit my discussion of The Incredibles to one specific area. Yes, I share your concern about the way in which Frozone's wife was presented, and my decision was to file that with notes I'm nervously - it's always nervously - putting together for a feature on race and the super-heroine. There was so much that I edited out, for I do have a despicable tendency to go on, and yet ... I worry about that decision. I'm certainly glad you raise the issue. It strikes me that with just one editing pass, The Incredibles could've resolved some truly regretable representational issues, and I regret that a greater measure of sensitivity wasn't opted for.
DeleteThe Elasti-Girl issue I always took as being part of the film's nostalgic look back to end-of-Eisenhower era superhero tales. But that one I should have mentioned and didn't. It's a contradiction that deserved mentioning. Hands up, mea culpa.
One of the challenges of discussing politics, as you yourself will know so well, is trying to close a piece so that it covers without substantial weakness the ground its trying to. I never manage to do that. One of the reasons I picked this series was to attempt to do so in 700 words or less, an effort to try to improve the brevity and precision of the pieces. I thought walking the line between the right and left interpretation of Elastigirl would be impossible enough - and it was! - but there's always so much else that frustratingly seems to escape me. I do appreciate the fact that your good self - and indeed the generous and kind folks who comment her (*) - are always tolerant of short-comings and generous in recognising good intentions. It's exchanges of views like these which make the often mind-numbing business of just trying to make the next sentence make sense more pleasurable and productive. So, thanks for your kind words and insightful comments.
*:- At least the ones which make it past the waiting area and the delete button. Boy, but there's some unpleasant stuff that never gets past there ...
Mr. Smith,
DeleteI noticed you don't have David Brother's 4thLetter in your blogroll - I'm not sure if you read him or not, but he's the go-to on any sort of discussion of race and the superhero. I'll toss in a few links for you to peruse - feel free to ignore them if you've already seen the blog.
http://4thletter.net/2009/02/black-history-month-09-22-shake-this/
Good discussion of race and the superheroine
http://4thletter.net/2011/11/hes-alright-but-hes-not-real/
Talk about black "replacement" heroes like Jim Rhodes
http://4thletter.net/2012/03/thats-just-the-way-it-is/
Not really about superheroes, but an extraordinarily powerful post nonetheless
Hello Colby:- I'm grateful for specific links to 4th Letter, a blog I've been dipping into since, gosh, my days as a lecturer in the social sciences. Knowing which posts specifically moved someone is always an interesting and inspiring business, and of course there's always something to learn from such a genuinely "go-to" site and writer. My thanks.
DeleteWonderful post - your eloquent text pretty much sums up many of my own rather inarticulate thoughts about Elastigirl (...and they could have just as easily called her Elastiwoman - rolls right off the tongue). I just have to add that it was an additional stroke of genius to cast Holly Hunter for her voice: it made the character that much more perfect and pretty much confirmed that Elastigirl is the true star of The Incredibles.
ReplyDeleteHello Edo:- Thank you. I wish they HAD called her Elastiwoman, just as I wish I had manage to forget such an ESSENTIAL matter. (Sound of Blogger kicking himself.) And, yes, you're absolutely right about Holly Hunter's voice-work. She was particularly brilliant during the screwball bickering scenes, and it's her character that I'd most like to see return in a new Incredibles movie. (Best to leave well alone, of course, but I am a fan :))
DeleteI'll take the tone down a notch or three, as ever, and report that I find the The Incredibles scene in-and-around the jet approaching the island to be probably the most thrilling and emotionally engaging action sequence in all of superhero film. That Elastigirl gets to act as competent covert agent, superhero actioneer and parent in the space of a few minutes, and that we can enjoy all these elements, is a fantastic testament to the potential of a rounded (or stretchy) character in this genre.
ReplyDeleteHello Tordelback:- I still think that The Incredibles is the best of all the superhero movies in terms of the very spectacle you mention. I've not seen The Avengers,mind you, so maybe things have changed,but that apart, The Incredibles is well ahead.
DeleteYou make an excellent point about the potential of the "stretchy" character. I find it remarkable how often Plas and his descendants are poorly used. Anyway, with the exception of Plas, Elastigirl could beat any of them. Plas she might end up equal pegging with, though she does seem smarter than he often is ...
To address a point that nobody's making here but I've seen before: regarding any problems with Elastigirl starting the main action of the movie as a housewife, consider that the original status quo is that their lives are unsatisfying, and that they aren't living the lives they want. Bob is miserable at the insurance company; Dash is sick of holding back his speed; Violet is just plain miserable being alive and entering adolescence.
ReplyDeleteAs for Helen, the movie never suggests that she loves what she's doing in the beginning, that she enjoys holding herself back. Consider that the last thing we hear before the title is Helen's voice in the Golden Age newsreel, saying "Leave the saving of the world to the men? I don't think so. I don't think so." She loved being a superhero and had no intention of giving it up. This suggests that instead of happily becoming a housewife later on, she instead was making the best life she could out of the options left to her.
She was not as visibly miserable as the rest of her family, but that may very well be because she couldn't afford to show it. Bob's a zombie, the kids are resentful, so someone has to keep the ship afloat. She plays the part of the (relatively happy) housewife, because somebody has to. The movie would be indeed be retrograde if Helen couldn't wait to get back to housewifery when the adventure was done, or if she lamented her career as a superheroine. But neither of those is even remotely implied.
Helen's starting position was less than ideal because it had to be. Breaking out was her story arc, the same as everyone else's. If she were already a fulfilled high achiever in the first reel, the movie would have been thrown off-balance.
Also: casting Holly Hunter was brilliant.
Hello Harvey:-You know, I focused on the politics in the above, because trying to define my own position in such a minefield concerned me greatly, particularly in only about 700 words. What's terrific for my discipline if not my ego is that comments such as yours remind me to be as nervous about the text as much as the politics. It's not that I took the text lightly, but I do need to try to focus as much on that.
DeleteYour points are of course excellent. I wouldn't want to challenge a single thing you've said. My feelings- as I attempted to express by passingly referring to the public/private debate - is that The Incredibles is best read as a challenge to the idea that the isolated nuclear family is the best environment for women to fulfil themselves within. By the same token, it's not suggesting that the roles of wife and mother are in themselves alienating prospects. I guess that could be seen as a movie wanting it both ways or offering a balanced view...
And as you say, it's never implied that Helen wants to return to some isolated domesticity. In fact, the whole family seem remarkably well-prepared and ready to go when the Mole-Man analogue appears. Quite the contrary then.
We are ALL, I would hope, fans of Holly Hunter's contribution to TI here. Not to be would be... puzzling...
Hello Mr. Smith,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I just want to say that I recently discovered your blog and have been greatly enjoying myself exploring the archived content. This just might be the best writing on comics on the web that I have discovered yet. I do a fair bit of writing about comics myself (and the use of comics and other elements of "geek culture" in articulating ethnic and queer identity in transnational American lit is a central part of the dissertation I am working on now).
More to the point, however, I saw the Incredibles when it first came out and wasn't a big fan. It is too bad that Disney and Marvel had not hooked up yet when The Incredibles came out, because I would have preferred for it to have been an actual Fantastic Four film. ;) However, this reading of Elastigirl is making me want to take a second look. Thanks.
At the other end of never thinking critically about representations in popular culture because "it is just entertainment," is allowing the problematic aspects of those representations to keep us from gleaning anything fruitful from them.
Hello osito71:- Thank you for your generous words. As a blogger who cringes at every sentence he hammers out, I'm relieved you found some value here. I find many able bloggers are generous as you've been: I've certainly enjoyed the chance to follow the link of your name above to your work at The Paragon of Animals and Sounding Out. By which I mean, not that I'm being generous, but hats off to you being so :)
DeleteI do understand why The Incredibles can be an alienating watch. I think I was greatly influenced by my wife, for we watched together. While I'm not suggesting that my response is in any way analogous to yours, I think I might have found some of the political contradictions and certain of the more familiar aspects of the plot distracting. Her sense of joy helped me maintain a less jaundiced view. Of course, I don't know anything of why you didn't enjoy it, and as I say, I'm not trying to suggest that my response was in any way linked to yours. Still, second opinions are often of some value simply because they're not our own. I hope if you do look again, that I've not led to your time being wasted.
And that of course is all inspired by your excellent last paragraph, if I may say so. That's SO true. I get a great many "It's just entertainment/you're politically correct/why worry?" comments here, which, if they're uncivil, as they usually are, I just bin. But as you write, it's worryingly easy - if I may speak for myself and no-one else - to trip up on the way to the other extreme.
Hey! Thanks for your kind words and taking a look at my stuff. I have recently abandoned LJ for tumblr, and while mostly I have been writing about music, I do plan to do a series of "one-panel reads" on there (something I have been wanting to do for years) - just brief interrogations on one panel (or 2-3 small ones), like this one or this (less brief).
DeleteAnyway, don't be so hard on yourself. While having a standard you want to uphold in your writing is admirable and fruitful, ultimately it is the content and analysis it provides that matters, and you are doing a helluva job.
Hello osito71:- No problems. I look forward to your one-panel reads. I do that myself on occasion, and I'm always amazed at how many lines I need to talk about a single frame. One picture, thousand words, and so on.
DeleteThanks for the kind words. I've been trying to get the quality of the form and content up for several years now while keeping the production level high; my theory was that learning how to produce quality at speed would be a good thing to invest a fair degree of time in. It seems that more time will be needed, though I very much appreciate you noting something of some value here. My best to you :)
Hey Mr. Smith,
DeleteI have the first of my "one-panel reads" up on my tumblr, if you are interested in taking a look. It is a panel from the latest issue of ASM (#685).
http://we-are-in-it.tumblr.com/post/22998967472/spider-boarding
Hello osito:- Good work! I enjoyed it, I respected the point that you were making. You've made me want to track down the issue, because it looks despicable.
DeleteWhat a shame ... I'm weary of it ...
It is actually a very small part of the larger issue (which I think is just more evidence for my thesis - not very much time is spent on it when Peter Parker has a history of agonizing over the morality of the choices he is faced with).
DeleteHello Osvaldo:- I hope folks who stumble upon these comments will check the link out in your comment above.
DeleteWell, that's Peter Parker & Steve Rogers outed as full-blown torturers. I suppose it'll be the Impossible Man and Squirrel Girl next. For a supposedly liberal sub-genre, super-books have a habit of being incredibly reactionary.
Wow, false alarm, I just read your Elastigirl post and see you've already read Blue Beelte! Time to slink away.
ReplyDeleteHello there:- Oh, no slinking away needed, or indeed, permitted. It was a valued nudge. If folks couldn't comment until they'd read all of the posts here, well, there'd be no comments at all :)
DeleteYou might want to tag this with "12 greatest..." also, so people can forward the series to their friends.
ReplyDeleteHello brainypirate:- Thank you for the nudge, and it's done. My best to you.
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