That weeping, contemptible Nick Fury who's paraded before us at the conclusion of Ultimate Fallout? That poor broken man so haunted by his failure to take care of Peter Parker that he's shattered by shame and driven to tearfully, pathetically apologise to Mary Jane Watson? You'd imagine that he'd be something of a transformed man by the experience. After all, to end a series with such a scene surely suggests that something important has occurred, that lessons have been learnt and change begun, if not completed. For if that isn't so, then the ending of Ultimate Fallout is nothing other than a manipulative, melodramatically sentimental exercise.
So what do we find within the pages of the new Ultimate Spider-Man title, as the 13 year old Miles Morales nobly attempts to live up to Peter Parker's heroic legacy? Do we discover a Nick Fury who in any way recognises his previous failings, who's conscious of his obligations as both a private individual and a servant of the state, and who's determined to behave in a way which, to a lesser or greater degree, reflects the hard truths which Parker's sacrifice revealed to him? Well, of course we don't. It may look at first as if this is a Fury who's more humane and even rather wistfully vulnerable, but his behaviour remains inexplicably callous and unimaginably irresponsible.
Or; all that crying really was just sickly show for the rubes and no tell at all.
For those unfamiliar with the events of Who Is Miles Morales?, the young would-be Spider-Man is assaulted, webbed-up and harangued by the Ultimate Univere's Spider-Woman, who's both a clone of Peter Parker and an Agent Of SHIELD. Having shaken up the boy so thoroughly that he desperately attempts to escape and, falling, knocks himself unconscious, Spider-Woman carts his comatose body off to The Triskellion, where he's placed in a cell, subject to blood-tests and investigated using all the decency-sidestepping intelligence-gathering options open to Nick Fury's apparent state-within-a-state. This of course makes for a sequence of fan-thrilling moments; Hawkeye, Fury, Iron Man and Spider-Woman discussing Morales' identity and fate while he awakens alone in a darkened cell; the splendor of The Triskellion lit up against the night sky and so far from the constraints of everyday society; the showdown between SHIELD's leader and the clearly anxious Morales. But, of course, Fury and his colleagues display no more respect for the human and legal rights of Morales than was shown to Mary Jane Watson at the end of Ultimate Fallout. Because of that, the reader's left wondering just what sort of people let an innocent 13 year boy awaken in a soulless cell without any kind of sympathetic face to greet him. After all, Miles has by that time been confirmed as anything but a menace, and he'd obviously have no idea at all where it was that he'd been taken while out cold. Yet whatever it is that Fury has learnt from Peter Parker's death, it's yet to affect how he behaves beyond that sickly moment of whimpering on the shoulder of Mary Jane Watson.
When Morales later asks to be able to make a phone-call, Fury tells him that he's "not under arrest. We're just talking.". It's a line which unambiguously reveals how America's senior spy-chief and the controller of its Ultimates hasn't reformed his ideas about how to treat folks who neither know their rights nor feel confident in expressing them. (But then, contempt for the state beyond SHIELD is rampant within the ranks of Fury's people. Spider-Woman declares with no little disdain that Miles is a "dork" for thinking that the police might protect him from her decision to punch him out, truss him out and shout at him.) So, although the reader is clearly meant to be absorbed by the badassery of it all, Miles has actually been assaulted, kidnapped, imprisoned, subject to invasive medical procedures and numerous other violations of his privacy, and then denied even the comfort of company and advise. Yet somehow the conventions of the super-book mean that the reader's not even supposed to notice that that's happened, let alone care.
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| Sara Pichelli's splendidly characterful art leaves the reader in no doubt how young and vulnerable Miles Morales is. |
As with Mary-Jane, Fury makes no attempt to contact Miles' legal guardians or provide either independent counsel or support of any kind. Regardless of how the Republic's laws are different in the alt-Earth of the Ultimate Universe, we might expect some hint in Bendids' script that this behaviour is both utterly wrong and a mockery of the apparent meaning of the tearful closure of Ultimate Fallout. Yet instead, the reprehensible is played out as an aspect of the cool, and the repugnant denizens of The Triskellion are presented instead as role models for Miles, as super-powered hardnuts with access to a host of advanced technology matched to what amounts to the absolute freedom from responsibility that's a hallmark of the fascist-in-democrat's clothing. It's not just that Bendis' work makes little sense. It's also that it ends up making heroes out of bullying tyrants.
But that's not the end of the problem, although you'd never think there was a problem at all from the various reviews and discussions of the issue which I've encountered on the net. As with the sequence at the end of Ultimate Fallout, the idea that characters have rights which shouldn't be trampled upon in order to build up the glamour of a secret police state and its secret policeman in all their hip thuggery doesn't appear to often register. Yet the situation as described actually becomes yet more despicable, for Fury then deigns to release Miles back into society under some astonishingly uncaring conditions. Does he, as we might expect, inform the Morales' family? Does he insist that Miles avoids wearing the costume and acting out his good intentions, given that he's a untrained boy stepping into a lethal occupation which actually resulted in the terrible death of his predecessor just a few weeks before? Does he liaise with Miles' school and the local cops in his district in order to secure the lad's well being? Does he even arrange for training and supervision through SHIELD so that the boy might eventually have the means not just to make an informed choice about his fate, but the capacity to stay alive too? Indeed, given that Fury's snooping has revealed that Miles' uncle is not only a notorious criminal but an absolutely murderous super-villain, is every step being taken to ensure the boy's safety and security? Bodyguards, surveillance, panic rooms, wire taps and personal alarms?
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| Fury tells Miles about his Uncle being a super-villain, and yet strangely doesn't do a single thing to help protect the lad from his murderous relative. Well, how much help does a super-lad need? |
The answer to these questions is, of course, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. In fact, the supposedly heart-torn Fury not only avoids fulfilling any measure of care for Miles Morales whatsoever, but he actively encourages the boy on his superheroic career instead. In doing so, he does nothing but legitimise the second Ultimate Spider-Man's adolescent dreams without doing anything to ensure that they don't end in disaster. For on the day after Miles is released from Fury's detention, the lad's tracked down on the street by Spider-Woman, who, in her civilian identity, and before the unbelieving eyes of Miles' best friend Ganke, hands over to him a sparkling new spider-suit. "You've got one chance." she tells him, in what's clearly supposed to be a rites of passage moment, in which the reader is intended to feel that Miles has somehow earned the respect of his super-elders and thereby his spurs. Yet, what could be more ridiculous? Fury's already helped create the conditions which did for Parker, and yet now he's enabling a 13 year old neophyte super-boy with both his blessing and a new all-body set of crime-fighting togs? And, to cap the absurdity of all this off, the handing on of the torch is shown occurring in the streets, before the eyes of another youthful boy barely into his teens? At what point beyond that of golly-gee-wow-awesome does any of this make sense?
This is obviously water-cooler moment twaddle. As is common with so much of his work over the past few years, Bendis appears to be structuring his story around a sequence of fan-thrilling beats which deliver a wad of sentimentality and thigh-tingling Rumpish excitement which, upon closer inspection, makes no sense at all. Played with a touch more care and smarts, this sequence of events might have been used to clearly establish what a disordered and entirely heartless individual Fury is. Instead, he's presented as the noble gatekeeper, as the compassionate if endlessly hipsterish authority figure, as the enabling knight of the realm granting the valiant lad his right to fight in the front row. It's Fury whose word passes as law with everyone in sight, Fury who nobly tries to protect Miles when Electro breaks free of his bonds, and Fury who eventually saves the day, and Miles too, with his admirably lethal sharpshooting. We're obviously meant to be ecstatic that Miles has been given Fury and SHIELD's permission to throw himself at any passing super-villain, and yet, what does this say about these enablers, and about ourselves, that we're supposed to swallow this shortchanging and smile accordingly?
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| You're officially Spider-Man now, Miles, so bugger off and get yourself maimed or even killed, just as Peter Parker did just a few days ago!!!! |
It is of course possible that Bendis is, as part of some exceptionally long-playing arc, working towards an eventual expose of how reprehensible Fury's behaviour, and that of his cohorts, is. Yet if that's so, why the pitifully tearful conclusion to Ultimate Fallout, and why the heroic representations of the Ultimates in terms of the beats of Who Is Miles Morales? Either Bendis is playing such a subtle and long game that the real meaning of each individual issue, and indeed each run of issues, is actually entirely impossible to grasp at all, or he's simply lobbing out the money-shots. Particularly in the context of the writer's much-discussed version of comics realism, these implausibilities and dubious representations stand out as a poorly-thought through business.
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| How quickly those super-people forget. |
But whatever explanation we have for this ridiculous train of events, the fact is that this Nick Fury is revealed by the end of Who Is Miles Morales? to be even more of a monster than Ultimate Fallout's climax inadvertently showed him to be. He's the Nazi's Nazi, the number one state-sponsered bastard in all of comicdom. He doesn't just let children barely into puberty throw themselves out at the very worst of super-villains, he enables and thereby encourages it. A fascinating character, of course, and yet, the way in which Bendis and his collaboraters frame these stories leaves more than a suggestion that Fury's supposed to be the coolest super-badass that there's ever been.
If it's irony, it's really badly done, relying as it would upon years and years of issues and close reading in order to deliver its message. If it's all being played straight, then it's dubious in how it transmits an adoration of unrestrained and irresponsible power, and incompetent in how it presents a narrative with so many unbelievably obvious plot-holes. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with stories staring barely-teens fighting crime, just as there's no sensible objection to portraying lawless monsters holding a huge degree of power without responsibility within the structure of the state. What counts is how it's done, and what principles the work represents.Certainly the reader deserves to receive a story that isn't woodwormed with plot holes that could have been eliminated with an hours extra work and a single more draft of the script.
Coming soon; a gosh-I-enjoyed review of "Ultimate Comics Spider-Man: Scorpion", which for my money is the best super-book work Brian Michael Bendis has done for a very long time. It's just out in TPB on this side of the Atlantic, and well worth a look.
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Ultimate Fallout was weeks before this storyline, and new readers shouldn't be held hostage by continuity, because it's continuity or storytelling, Colin, you can't have both.
ReplyDeleteI remember playing Mortal Kombat as a wee lad, and around the third level my dad walked in and asked "well, what's this about?"
How could I explain the rich backstory of this titanic battle between a man in a yellow spandex costume and a man in a blue spandex costume adequately to someone who had missed the first few minutes of gameplay? I couldn't, of course, it was too complex a tale and two whole levels had passed, and in my heart I knew this was unfair on my dad, who was being held hostage by level 3's continuity obsessive nerds and thus would be unable to understand the complicated scene before him of me hitting the B button until the yellow spandex ninja fell over. Then for some reason the blue spandex ninja tore the yellow spandex ninja's head off and there was lots of gore and his spine was swinging around and it was generally considered to be very cool moment even though it ultimately contributed nothing to the actual story, but my dad didn't grasp that because he couldn't follow what was going on, so he went back to reading his Ian M banks novels and once again videogames lost out to books because they were too complicated to follow.
TOO MUCH CONTINUITY, Colin. It's the devil.
(No more sarcasm: I promise)
It's touch and go if Bendis addresses these kinds of things down the line, but that's hardly something he invented and is sort of the hazard of buying any monthly, although so far none of your concerns have been directly addressed in the USM books. Again, this means little as Bendis usually plays a very, very long game and it seems unlikely that Miles and Fury won't cross paths in the future, but based on past form, your observations of Fury's conduct and inconsistent behavior don't sound like the kinds of things that usually concern Bendis as a writer. He is usually concerned with the use of power and not the ethics of how or why it's used, and in that regard he's a very old-school superhero writer who trades in power fantasies of various sorts even if he rarely touches upon the knock-on effects of how that power is used in the way some of the best Lee/Ditko Spider-Man tales did. if it makes sense, Lee's Spidey got bit in the ass as a consequence of what he did, While Bendis' Spidey(s) get bit in the ass because that's just what happens to Spider-Man.
Hello Brigonos:- You're right! The scales have fallen from my eyes. These aren't characters, they're vehicles for exciting and mawkish moments! And I really AM asking for too much continuity. Continuity crushes storytelling, I see that now, because it works to limit the sense of what might happen. If only I'd known that.
DeleteOf course, that makes the second new Ultimate Spider-Man collection - Scorpion - a right old duffer, since it does pay more attention to continuity and seemed, to my unreformed mind, to make much more sense. And I rather enjoyed Scorpion. In fact, I thought it was clever old book in many ways.
But if we may make sense for a moment, as you dangerously chose to in the second half of your letter, and as you are of course entitled to, being the KING OF ALL YOU SURVEY. I've no doubt that Miles and Fury will meet up again, and I suspect it'll be a regular occurance. Yet I'm baffled by how anyone can explain away Fury's treatment of Miles in #5 of the new book. It literally defies belief, and that's even if we ignore the end of Ultimate Fallout. In order to make that sequence with Spider-Woman and Fury work, we either have to believe that Fury and co have behaved nobly and appropriately, or we have to believe that they're the biggest bastards in the world. Since neither interpretation works in terms of how the book's framed, the reader's left struggling to make sense of what’s happened and why.
I think what concerns me - and here I obviously over-thinking as the Flakker would define it - is that the super-book so often ignores what acceptable behaviour is. Events head straight out for the extreme options; torture, imprisonment etc etc. And that just helps nudge the culture into a space in which readers don't expect to see the law obeyed and ethics held to. Given that we inhabit a society where so many folks leap for extreme solutions anyway ... well, this isn't a helpful process. It means, as you say, that power fantasies become the be-all-and-end-all of a great many tales. If we don't have a sense of what's normal and - forgive me Flakker - decent, then we end up with a situation in which just about everyone is crushed at one end of the behaviourial and moral spectrum, kicking hell out of their opponents and assassinating their enemies because THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO. Now, it may be something which some heroic figures do, but surely not most if all of them?
Even putting aside all that ethics stuff to one side, it makes stories dull and predictable. Everyone ends up behaving pretty much like everyone else.
And as you say, storytelling becomes more and more stereotyped, because we're looking at the same story over and over again. I actually like a great deal of the new USM tales, I really do. But a writer who seems to want the reader to laugh and say "Well, isn't that scene in which the kid got beaten up and kidnapped cool?" without also recognising that it was pretty horrific as well seems to be sidestepping their responsibilities.
But then, as was suggested elsewhere of my ungood self earlier this week; I really do have a chip on my shoulder about them human rights. I'm quite intolerant when it comes to tolerance.
ANother fine article, Colin.
ReplyDeleteAs is common with so much of his work over the past few years, Bendis appears to be structuring his story around a sequence of fan-thrilling beats which deliver a wad of sentimentality and thigh-tingling Rumpish excitement which, upon closer inspection, makes no sense at all.
I fear this is the formula more often used these days in comics, popularized by both Bendis and Geoff Johns. I know there are a few good writers to row against the tide, but overall we can declare that superhero stories are just a random, meaningless series of awesome, badass scenes.
Hello Miguel:- I shamefully can't recall if I told you how much I enjoyed and admired your Bat-Wing piece, though I did link to it on Twitter and hope that got 1 or 2 more folks heading in your direction. For anyone that hasn't read that, or indeed your fine blog, it can be found at;
Deletehttp://comicswithoutfrontiers.blogspot.pt/2012/05/rememberany-work-you-submit-in-which.html
The shame about those various "watercooler moments" in Ultimate Fallout and Who Is Miles Morales is that there remain a great many signs that BMB's talent remains intact. Now, I'm always aware that to say such a thing presumes that I'm the arbiter of what is and what isn't success, so I'll just add "in my opinion". And if the reader reads on into Scorpion, there's some good stuff going on there indeed.
A shame, therefore, that the big melodramatic moments are allowed to flourish without reference to sense.
Colin, thanks! You mentioned before that you liked it :)
DeleteI agree the early stories with Miles were quite good. Julian Darius wrote an excellent article about them:
http://www.sequart.org/magazine/5657/eight-thoughts-on-ultimate-spider-man-vol-3-1-2/
But it seems since then it's degenerated into typical Bendis fare.
Hello Miguel:- I love how the opinions of folks can diverge! I'm far fonder of the stories in the second rather than the first "new" USM tpb myself.
DeleteBut I will certainly agree with you that Julian made a compelling case for why he thought the Miles Morales tales were worth catching :)
And I have now discovered comics without frontiers and is losing yet another night of writing to reading awesome things...
DeleteHello Malin;- Yep, Miguel's place is a terrific place to spend a great deal of time in, isn't it? I'm really glad to have pointed a sign in the right direction :)
DeleteI am a fan of the new Ultimate Spider Man. I lost interest in the other iteration about halfway through and never finished reading it, but with Miles Morales I was sucked in again. I read #5 and didn't think much about it, and then I read your article and realized why.
ReplyDeleteI never ever thought that Shield/Fury was meant to be seen as good guys.
You see, I am a certified leftist even by Swedish standards, and I have a deep-sated mistrust of government/spy organizations. And more, I grew up reading about the hulkbusters and Gyrich and his sentinels and just have never got used to seeing things like that as the good guys.
I know that there has been a shift over the last decades, that what would have been the enemy in the seventies and eighties are now your ally, that is still not my first instinct. My own prejudices color things.
So when I read #5 I read it as another proof that Shield is a militarized organization without conscience filled with bastards. My fear in that issue was that they would tie Miles closer to them, and he would end up a puppet of Shield, a bit like the new Spider Man cartoon. So I was relieved when that wasn't the case, and it seemed that the issue was mostly used to give him a proper spider suit.
I had also never read Ultimate Fallout because I had drifted off Spider Man by then, and in general such things tends to be handled very badly. I still cringe at Rogue running away crying because she had slept with the Sentry at his funeral. Way to go...
But, reading this, I realize that yeah, we were actually meant to think that Fury was a good guy. And then... yeah, it makes me a bit sad. I think I will retreat back into my own head where Shield are bastards, and Miles is just trying to do the right thing.
Hello Malin:- I'm sure that the creators who've been involved in the Ultimate Universe would argue that they'd never seen Nick Fury as a "good guy" at all. Indeed, Fury comes out of Millar and Hitch's second Ultimates book very badly indeed. And I guess that BMB could make two very strong arguments against my criticism of the books, namely that (1) he's not writing role models, and (2)and it would insult the reader to present morality in a simple good v evil contrast.
DeleteBut my argument isn't that comics should present simplistic narratives. It's that the American super-book produces work whose storytelling argues that certain characters and acts are noble and necessary regardless of what the creators involved appear to have been doing. It's one thing to want to respect the audience. It's another to create a narrative from Ultimate Fallout through to the new USM #5 where Fury is presented as a flawed hero learning compassion and taking pity on the poor defenseless teens of the MU. And it's one thing to leave a touch of ambiguity in a book and another to create a narrative which really does seem to be saying that Fury is a cool badass who's also been really good to Miles with the whole freedom'n'costume act.
And most of all, I worry about the kind of sleepwalking which the superbook has encouraged amongst its readers, where the leads of comics can be shown to do quite stupid and even downright evil things and few people even register. Though I'm entirely against censorship, I'm also thoroughly disappointed by creators who don't take the time and effort to take responsibility for controlling as solidly they can the meaning of their work.
By which I mean, either Fury is unimaginably cruel and stupid, in which we should have that rather the opposite shown more strongly, or something's been left out of that story in USM #5 which would have shown why we should regard him as anything other than a monster.
Rogue crying at the Sentry's funeral? Gawd. What a pathetic business the whole mentally-ill-superman-as-Other storyline was, and what uncaring bigots itleft the other super-members of the MU looking like. Is that really how we help folks with mental disorders of such a serious kind? Pah. I know I'll be sounding all miserable and worthy here, but ....
Obviously I share your concerns about any kind of state institution which is in a position to accrue, or even be given, para-legal authority. By the same, these organisations are unfortunately unavoidable. Who guards the guardians ought to be THE key issue in the super-book, whether it's the JLA or SHIELD, Paradise Island or the Avengers. Instead, the theme so often seems to be "Isn't it COOL and AWESOME to be a guardian with no guardians to limit my power".
A shame, because there are few forms better suited to debate power while playing out entertaining hi-jinks than the superhero book. The detective novel learned how to do that, and thanks in no small part to novelists from your neck of the woods too. No one would dream of suggesting that power isn't a major element of any detective/thriller book now. But the super-book? Too often that whole issue is ignored.
Malin,
DeleteI read it the same way, but I think Colin's right - that these mainstream superhero books are lulling us into a form resistant reading that ultimately still allows us to enjoy the comic without reading critically (or at least that is what I think he is saying).
Hello Osvaldo:- Couldn't agree more. I'm all for comics which encourage us to critically engage with them, and I've problems with any form of entertainment which relies on the audience not paying attention in order to succeed. A measure of comfort reading is undeniably fine, although there's no reason for it to be Michael Bay witless. But there's surely a limit.
DeleteTop post. I found myself laughing at the absurdity you describe. Thinking about this myself a bit. My guess is it all ties into this whole cultural thing of real world endless wars concepts and out of control seemingly-police state apparatus. Laws are on the books but if someone says you are a terrorist or other "bad guy" than you have only what rights the powers that be deign to give you. Politicions make compassionate and eloquent speaches on the news every night yet sign off for bombing dirt poor countries half a world away, bonus points for wedding or funeral parties.
ReplyDeleteWhat does this have to do with comic books?
I really dislike how this has bleed into heroic concepts like captain america becoming just another general ordering torturers. And the heroic ideal is to be a super hero and follow orders like a robot, I miss the time when supers would question things more.
Rambling comment, love your blog btw.
Hello James:- Thank you :) It is all abit absurd, isn't it? My own feeling is that the dafter the story in terms of longunderwear and energy beams, the more the need to make it hang together coherently in terms of the plot. This is especially so when the tone of the book is that of what we might call comics-pseudo-realism, which demands that what we're looking at be TAKEN SERIOUSLY! Under those conditions, the nonsense and the ethically careless moments just throw the reader out of the book.
DeleteI didn't think your comments were rambling! I agree entirely with your sentiments. The superhero has always been for me a form that's concerned with questions of when it's legitimate to use power. The very fact of putting on a costume and stepping outside of the law leaves the super-book discussing when and why we ought to do what we're told to. Sadly, and with some notable exceptions, the superbook has become more and more a celebration of the individual's right, and even duty, to do what they damn well want to.
Wasted opportunities, dubious contentions. A shame, to say the least.
What does this have to do with comic books?
DeleteI really dislike how this has bleed into heroic concepts like captain america becoming just another general ordering torturers. And the heroic ideal is to be a super hero and follow orders like a robot, I miss the time when supers would question things more.
Oh, I also miss those days when superheroes stood for civil disobedience instead of being metaphors for fascism and police states. I mean, I don't have problems with the writers writing about the threat of police states, because that's a visible threat in our world, but heroes should not be willing participants in that - they should represent the alternative, the opposition.
Captain America is ordering tortures these days? I don't even want to know where that's from! My Captain America was such a morally upstanding man, he quit being Captain America when the government tried to make him their errands boy, in the brilliant Mark Gruenwald era. That was a man of principles.
I can't recognize these heroes anymore.
Hello Miguel:- I agree that there's a real problem with characters becoming collaborators in seriously unethical behaviour. And the problem becomes all the more disappointing when there's no way written into the book to allow the toxic acts to be bled away from the character concerned. Cap is always going to be the guy who set Moon Knight and the Widow on those innocent agents, Spidey will always the enabler of the acidboarding of Sandman. If it were a secondary character, then fine; their fate could be played out. But a heroic lead? A touch of darkness is interesting, but markers of absolute corruption won't wash out.
DeleteAnd while I don't want every superhero played as more-moral-than-very-moral-indeed, I'm struggling to find a single one who even considers the most basic ethical standards. It's just taken for granted that badassery of one sirt or another will occur.
Or rather, it usually is. I mustn't ever forget to acknowledge those splendid creators who do remember to debate these issues. There's quite a few of them. We need more.
And it would be good to have Mr Bendis standing in their number more often. He's a fine writer and the industry needs him at the top of his game.
It's interesting to contrast the character here with his appearances in the new Ultimate Spiderman cartoon. Here he's an amoral, self obsessed bastard while in the cartoon his portrayed as hip/crusty and paternalistic with an apparently genuine concern for Peter Parker. Mind you the cartoon is also pretty darn good with Bruce Timm on the team and manages effortlessly to tread that line of being both entertaining for kids and appreciable by adults as well, mush in the way the Batman, Superman and JLA cartoons did for DC. Hopefully Marvel will back this up with a comic or magazine and there'll still be a young audience for their comics when they realise how wrong they've gone and try to find the road back.
ReplyDeleteHello Peter:- I don't think he is being portrayed as an amoral, self-obsessed bastard in USM :) I think he's being presented as the hip/crusty/paternmalistic guy from the cartoon. The problem is that he's not behaving in that way. He's coming across as a nice if hard-edged guy and yet he's doing stupid and terrible things. Ach ...
DeleteI've only seen about 10 minutes of the cartoon. I do intend to give it a go. But the episode I started with had Peter being tested by SHIELD while a crowd of superheroes looked on and I just didn't want to watch yet another story of yet another society of superpeople. I'm sure that the cartoon is alot more than that. You wouldn't be enjoying it if it wasn't. But I'm so full of stratas of super-people and I could do with a Peter who was living a hard life in a rough neighbourhood. Just to clear out all those super-people out of my head....
Bruce Timm? Bruce Timm isn't involved in Ultimate Spider-Man, is he? I thought that guy was DC animation for life. Unless you mean Paul Dini, who's a little more...spread out. I don't actually know, since I've never seen the never seen the new cartoon yet. I'm still just miffed that they cancelled Spectacular Spider-Man for it, which was a perfectly fine show. (I actually like Dini much more than Timm, though. Without him, Timm's post BTAS work (with the exception of Batman Beyond) seems a lot less...thoughtful and engaging.)
DeleteHello Mayowa:- Ah, here I'm in the thankfully generous hands of those who know. It's not so easy to catch the various superhero cartoons on British TV, and I'm way behind on the ones which I've seen. In fact, I'm struggling to think of anything I've watched regularly and with pleasure since the last Brave And The Bold. As such, I wouldn't know USM from SSM. But I am taking steps to put that right.
DeleteSince I can't contribute to any debate about the values of BT's work without PD, I might just take the opportunity to state that I'll forgive gentlemen just about anything for having created Batman: Mad Love, perhaps the most perfect superhero comic ever :)
Doesn't Fury here scratch that itch of the adult fantasist?
ReplyDeleteAs a boy, I dreamed about being Mighty and Powerful, which meant I could fly and throw freight trains to the moon. As a man, I still dream about being Mighty and Powerful, but now that would mean I wouldn't have to take into account others' humanity or needs or perspectives, because of my intrinsic Greatness. I could do what I want how I want and always be Right. All would bend to my will. How freeing. What power. To be a real-world king in all but name.
It's mendacious nonsense, but it's popular mendacious nonsense. Look at other media and their versions of "larger than life heroes." You'll find a hundred minor variations to the Nick Fury model. Such beasts are powerful protagonists, but terrible heroes. That the authors (and often the audience) confuses the two categories, yeah, well.
It's also a throwback, isn't it? "Hero" here means not "person who does what's right and helps out," but "person who is Bigger Than You, More Important, Mightier." The latter is far and away the older, more common definition. Achilles, Lancelot, etc. Morality is not the defining trait, but power; the "nobleman" rather than a "noble man."
Feh.
Hello Harvey:- There was a tendency for the heroes of myth and legend to also pay the price for their might, as of course I know you know. Achilles thinks he's the hardest, most worthy badass in the world, but he almost destroys the Greeks and in the end it's that worthless Paris who does for him. Yes, he's noble Achilles, but he suffers for his actions, because you can't expect to rise above fate, and that's especially so when you're challenging it. The powerful end up in the same place as everyone else. Yet the heroes of the superbooks never pay the price for their transgression, which is the problem, of course.
DeleteAs a nipper, I used to find it terribly frustrating that the hero figures of myth all had terrible ends. Hercules and the poison, Jason crushed beneath the Argo etc etc. And of all the fighters at Troy, only Odysseus - the slimy spin-doctor - gets any kind of victory in the end, and there's a lesson there or two ) Now I realise that I was being given a lesson which it took me a very long time to learn, but at least the lesson was there. Great power leads to great responsibility, and the abuse of it leads to great suffering. Or; you believe you've got to sacrifice your daughter, you're going to suffer even though you believe you've been serving the greater good. When Heroes Reborn kicked in and Cyclops was given a pat on the head by the President, it was a thoroughly despressing business. Summers was being rewarded for torture, assassination squads etc etc. Now, I've no problem with his being a fascist, but I've a real problem with his being presented as the noble future-saving hero. And his sins aren't ever going to be dealt with, because he deserves so much ill and that would take him off the board as a property.
The character may not represent nobility, but the story has to. If it doesn't, as you say, it's aiding and abetting that deeply worrying business of revenge/power fantasties.
There's a line from the first Blade movie that encapsulates the problem of lack of consequence perfectly. I call it THE STEVEN DORFF RULE. Dorff's character, the hilariously named Deacon Frost, is sizing up Our Hero, the eponymous Blade, and declares:
Delete"You got the best of both worlds, don't you? All of our strengths, none of our weaknesses."
Power without cost. That's what separates wish fulfillment from richer works.
Applying the STEVEN DORFF RULE to heroic fiction is a nice little crude test for wankery and general simplemindedness. Does the hero get the benefits of being a Superior Being without any drawbacks? (Or are the drawbacks mere fig leaves or advantages in disguise? Dramatic fuel, rather than considered problems?)
Superheroes fail the STEVEN DORFF RULE.* Fury here also fails it, because he's got all the advantages of being King Badass XVI of the Land of the Hard Men without serious drawbacks. Byronic ones ("O, no one knows the loneliness of command! O my burden!"), perhaps, but not serious ones.
Also, that superhero comics fail THE STEVEN DORFF RULE is not necessarily a bad thing. But it's an inherent limitation of the genre. You can fiddle with the idea of power having costs, but if you take it too far towards cost, you lose the charm of superheroes and end up in turgid SF country. "People with powers" is not what defines superhero comics. It's the tone, not the powers, that create the entertaining fantasy.
Hm. This needs to be refined and improved. THE STEVEN DORFF RULE is fun to type out, but it's a little rough here. I think I'm confusing myself.
Any thoughts, Peoples of the Internet?
*You could dig up exceptions, I'm sure, but they're rare enough that I think it's okay to ignore 'em to make the point.
Hello Harvey:- The Steven Dorff rule seems like a pre-tty good rule of thumb. I think the challenge to the writer of super-people is to keep that balance between power fantasy and moral tract as carefully as possible. And so, the Ditko/Lee Amazing Spider-Man tales tended towards the misery more than the release, and I'd prefer that to the other way around. Yet there were times when the book was simply terribly grim. (Still my No 1 Superbook, mind you :))Still, given that power always comes at a cost, it is ... disappointing that it tends to be discussed in terms of might making right, or us being better than them.
DeleteOf course, the problem with superheroic being made to suffer is that the consequences of their ill-deeds tend, as you mention, to be the faux-Byronisms of super-angst, which demands that we sympathise with characters rather than thinking "You had it coming, super-swine!". The idea of a superhero who just gets sent to jail and stays there is obviously never going to be carried through.
But here's a thought experiment. Let's imagine a whistle-blower in SHIELD wanted to complain about the behaviour of a superhero. Let's say Wolverine, or even Spider-Man. How many super-heroes might survive with public censure at the very least, and prison more than probably, for their various crimes if all of these ill-deeds start to enter the public domain? How many superheroes could say "I never knew that the Secret Avengers or X-Force had ever been up to their torturing business?" Just one public accusation of ill-doing and the whole question of why no superheroes whistle-blow on each other would come into play just as much as the crimes themselves. The Avengers? Pretty much all guilty. The X-Men? Pretty much all guilty. Daredevil? Well, some of the time he would have been mentally incompetent, but only some of the time. And so on and on.
So the company which decides to deal with this problem - hah! - is going to have a problem. Pretty much everyone in a super-suit with a I'm-noble-me badge has been at the very least complicit in covering up massive and serious and persistent law-breaking.
The Punisher is not only free in the MU, but superheroes team up with him. Try explaining that to a judge.
Ha! Funny, I remember reading this comic some time ago along with a few other of the new Ultimate Spider-Man issues. Not being very much a fan of Marvel's Ultimate line, I was confused about who the hell the Spider-lady was and why Ultimate Iron Man looked more like his mainline counterpart and not the large-headed red-whit-and-grey-with-blue-lights toy he used to look like. Anyway, I remembered being only a little put off by the characters, though I was mostly just bored by Miles Morales's lack of a personality. Leave it to this blog to ruthlessly point out the ridiculous and remind me why it is I don't read Ultimate Marvel.
ReplyDeleteHello Mayowa:- I wish I wasn't saying negative things about the current Ultimate Marvel books, I really do. I get no kicks out of being negative. To that end, I would accentuate what I said at the end of the above, which is that the next arc of the new USM - Scorpions - makes a great deal more sense as well as being far more fun. And it does have Miles making dubious decisions which a lad his age might very well make, which does add some depth to his personality too.
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